Our STUPID laws

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I have seen several of my mates over the years fail the attitude test and wear fines including one for defective windscreen wiper. Others have gone for a drive in the back of the van and if it had been me on the receiving end of the abuse they would have been a few teeth lighter. Like all occupations there are those who make it hard for the others, that's life. Essentially if you want to be treated like a human then extend that courtesy to those you meet. Having said that a few weeks ago at a servo a couple of highway guys came strutting (I do not use that word without careful choice) in their Kevlar boob tubes and hands on holsters. Totally out of place at about 7pm with the "restaurants" full of families grabbing a bite before getting home, tired and irritable kids and two highway patrol officers doing their best to intimidate. They both had golden burgers so there was the hope of salmonella later in the evening.

And for any normal Police personnel out there, you have my utmost respect, no way I could do your job and remain out of Court! Thanks.

[Bushbasher Out of control poster! Find all posts View Profile Close Bushbasher]

"Get out of jail free cards" to those driving Prados so you lot are alright.

[GUV Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close GUV]

Hehehehehehe I bet they were rope-able! Lol lol

I see what ya did there,
funny.

[RareSense Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close RareSense]

Yes totally agree, then you get me with no criminal record and cop the full lot for a first time and a dead pan no way when I ask for a caution as an impression on the cops I can say I wont be forgetting them in a hurry well done boys yet another fan (NOT)

Seriously Davy, you got caught and your upset because he didn't let you off? Hey it's never nice getting a ticket, you had a clean record but in all honesty think how many things you know you've done wrong and got away with over all those years. No one likes being told no at the best of times. If I was in the situation but was unable to caution you for what ever reason, I would always tell the motorist to write a letter to the Director of infringement processing bureau and ask for a caution where they would be let off, I'd circle the address on the ticket and tell them to write "Dear sir/madam,

Reference ticket no: At the said time date and place I was detected exceeding the speed limit by over 15kph in a 60 kph on such a such street in such a such town. I have been driving for over ten years and have not come under notice of the police before. I know what I did was wrong and ask that I could be afforded a caution on this occasion as I will endeavor for it not to occur again." Love and kisses" (sign off) in NSW you will receive a caution as long as it is under 30kph and you have a clean driving record as you stated. Yes I have even written it out and yes a guy complained once that I explained about how to get a caution and that I should have cautioned him saving him writing a letter. My boss informed the guy that the officer cannot caution for a points offenses. Things have changed a lot Davy their discretion is near all but gone from when I was in, if the fellow had a senior officer in the car or was under assessment before ICV (in car video). Did he have a in car video or recording device on him? If so he wouldn't caution you for a points offense (speeding) they are even writing up there own I'm told as they are also randomly audited. Shame really as it all came about from public demand - now the public is peeved they don't cautioned when in fact they can't. NB radar is calibrated to display speed detected etc. So his hands are tied. I was given the heads up by some mates when it came through.

On the upside you said you won't forget them, would that classify as driver education or reform because it brought attention to whatever you were infringed for? since being booked are you more cautious about not doing it again? Are you more cautious of your drivers license and it's points so you can keep driving your Prado to go 4wding and camping? I'm just trying to give a flip side view into HWP so you see they are guys like you and me but doing a difficult job - hopefully gives an insight to why they do things. Stopping a vehicle is dangerous business he doesn't know you from Adam wether your a good bloke, struggling financially, or a family man (driving on your own) or criminal just finished an break and enter, arm hold up, packing a gun, knife or drugs or someone mentally unstable.... It's easy to hate the HWP because he's giving you a ticket and invariably you look for something to focus this disdain on, if he's friendly he's a smart-a$&e or enjoyed it, if he's quiet and says very little he's rude and arrogant, if he doesn't cop your attitude "haven't you $&@) got something better to do you $&)@" - and he's a pig, if he doesn't let you off for you doing wrong he's not fair and for doing his job professionally he gets complaints......you walk in to get a meal because your hungry and your intimidating, gun belts etc all are heavy and uncomfortable at times, you sit in your car and think about those sports seat poking his gun into him, if gun belt worn around waist it gets in the road, try putting your hands on your hips to read a menu, hard.....If he lets someone off its because they knew him or she was pretty or he's corrupt, ...... Sound familiar..... Then acting in good faith and going beyond doing common sense to help someone he gets a complaint by someone totally random member of the public walking past not knowing the FULL situation and he's before internal affairs explaining his action facing a neg duty for not taking action so they can write off the random complaint or it's in the media blown out of all proportion without the officer being allowed to correct or answer media questions. One more thing, how many times do you think people lie to him trying to get out of it??? I used to get told I've never been booked before countless times to find they had atrocious records (so when some is actually honest it falls on deaf ears), or I wasn't speeding (you spot them (they've already got your speed) you immediately take foot off accelerator applying brakes meanwhile washing off speed then, then look at their speedo and of course they're not doing 85kph now they see 65kph, then you see the u-turn in the review mirror. Yes, the radar shows all this whilst we see the motorists car dramatically nose dive and speed plummet along with the Doppler shift frequency pitch!, yet they weren't speeding or they try and say they didn't have their license and try to supply false information that instead of a ticket turns into an arrest situation all dictated by the offenders actions even when you warn them of the consequence of supply false information, they still do it, In short he's damed if does or doesn't ...... Again as a society we like to blame everyone else even the HWP guy than to accept responsibility and accountability or the consequences of our own actions. So let's put that microscope on ourselves and ask are WE being fair in all this??? Cheers

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Nah, I suspect he is too honest and intelligent for that!
Rank such as that often does not come from general duties. The local force actually hire administrators intended for ranking positions because they consider it a management function and thus policing CDF is not required. I was amazed once when a family of drug mules were trying to get on a flight and as they walked in the door they saw this police commander in full regalia sitting there reading the paper. The mules sh@t themselves, and actually rear-ended each other at the door as the first one stopped dead in his tracks. They were running in circles, calling on the phones in whispered voices and I think they were actually flushing drugs down the dunny. It was so obvious it could have been a Monty Python skit. I had already called the narcs but it looked like they were about to bolt so I called this commander into the office on some pretext and told him I had called the cavalry. He asked me why; he genuinely had no idea what was happening and even then had no intention of tackling the situation. He had no spidey senses whatsoever.
To rise to the top of any large organization primarily requires keen political sense (and sometimes it helps to know where the bodies are buried). Another more simple explanation I have heard: the biggest t#rds always float to the top!
Here endeth today's life lesson. ;-}

Cheers t303, hehehehe very apt turd analogy. Yeap know the kind, wouldn't get involved he's a Koala, falling into the protected species category they don't get shot at or exported just sit in their ivory tower shuffling paperwork with the threat of a paper cut being their only risk! Lol lol

Yeah no thanks to commissioner damed if you do damed if you don't and your swimming with politicians that are sharks in a bucket of blood- matter of time before your bitten. Unfortunately, they are happy to do a royal commissions on police when corruption was flagged yet even with recent Obeids scandel there's still none into politics and government hmmmmm.

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And to demonstrate that this wasn't a one-off and the problem is deeper than a single individual: Bike leg fine: Top cop does it too

QUEENSLAND’S police commissioner has admitted he also stretches his leg while riding a motorbike.
Commissioner Ian Stewart, a regular user of social media Twitter, replied to several complaints after it was revealed a man had been fined $146 for stretching his leg while riding a motorbike to work.
Jake Sloman was riding along the Logan Motorway on Monday when he stretched his leg.
Police pulled him over and fined him $146. The offence? "Fail to keep both feet on footrest".
The fine has caused outrage on Twitter and on Sloman's Facebook page, with people saying taking this particular road rule to the letter would mean almost every motorcycle rider would be liable to be fined.

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And to demonstrate that this wasn't a one-off and the problem is deeper than a single individual: Bike leg fine: Top cop does it too

QUEENSLAND’S police commissioner has admitted he also stretches his leg while riding a motorbike.
Commissioner Ian Stewart, a regular user of social media Twitter, replied to several complaints after it was revealed a man had been fined $146 for stretching his leg while riding a motorbike to work.
Jake Sloman was riding along the Logan Motorway on Monday when he stretched his leg.
Police pulled him over and fined him $146. The offence? "Fail to keep both feet on footrest".
The fine has caused outrage on Twitter and on Sloman's Facebook page, with people saying taking this particular road rule to the letter would mean almost every motorcycle rider would be liable to be fined.

Never knew that was an offence, having just got back on a bike after 20 years without one I am guilty of that one almost every time I ride. It does make me wonder what you do when you stop if you cant take your foot of the pegs

Cheers Andrew

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And to demonstrate that this wasn't a one-off and the problem is deeper than a single individual: Bike leg fine: Top cop does it too

QUEENSLAND’S police commissioner has admitted he also stretches his leg while riding a motorbike.
Commissioner Ian Stewart, a regular user of social media Twitter, replied to several complaints after it was revealed a man had been fined $146 for stretching his leg while riding a motorbike to work.
Jake Sloman was riding along the Logan Motorway on Monday when he stretched his leg.
Police pulled him over and fined him $146. The offence? "Fail to keep both feet on footrest".
The fine has caused outrage on Twitter and on Sloman's Facebook page, with people saying taking this particular road rule to the letter would mean almost every motorcycle rider would be liable to be fined.

So what do you do when you stop at a set of lights or any type of intersection....... fall over????????

[Danda Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Danda]

Seriously Davy, you got caught and your upset because he didn't let you off? Hey it's never nice getting a ticket, you had a clean record but in all honesty think how many things you know you've done wrong and got away with over all those years. No one likes being told no at the best of times. If I was in the situation but was unable to caution you for what ever reason, I would always tell the motorist to write a letter to the Director of infringement processing bureau and ask for a caution where they would be let off, I'd circle the address on the ticket and tell them to write "Dear sir/madam,

Reference ticket no: At the said time date and place I was detected exceeding the speed limit by over 15kph in a 60 kph on such a such street in such a such town. I have been driving for over ten years and have not come under notice of the police before. I know what I did was wrong and ask that I could be afforded a caution on this occasion as I will endeavor for it not to occur again." Love and kisses" (sign off) in NSW you will receive a caution as long as it is under 30kph and you have a clean driving record as you stated. Yes I have even written it out and yes a guy complained once that I explained about how to get a caution and that I should have cautioned him saving him writing a letter. My boss informed the guy that the officer cannot caution for a points offenses. Things have changed a lot Davy their discretion is near all but gone from when I was in, if the fellow had a senior officer in the car or was under assessment before ICV (in car video). Did he have a in car video or recording device on him? If so he wouldn't caution you for a points offense (speeding) they are even writing up there own I'm told as they are also randomly audited. Shame really as it all came about from public demand - now the public is peeved they don't cautioned when in fact they can't. NB radar is calibrated to display speed detected etc. So his hands are tied. I was given the heads up by some mates when it came through.

On the upside you said you won't forget them, would that classify as driver education or reform because it brought attention to whatever you were infringed for? since being booked are you more cautious about not doing it again? Are you more cautious of your drivers license and it's points so you can keep driving your Prado to go 4wding and camping? I'm just trying to give a flip side view into HWP so you see they are guys like you and me but doing a difficult job - hopefully gives an insight to why they do things. Stopping a vehicle is dangerous business he doesn't know you from Adam wether your a good bloke, struggling financially, or a family man (driving on your own) or criminal just finished an break and enter, arm hold up, packing a gun, knife or drugs or someone mentally unstable.... It's easy to hate the HWP because he's giving you a ticket and invariably you look for something to focus this disdain on, if he's friendly he's a smart-a$&e or enjoyed it, if he's quiet and says very little he's rude and arrogant, if he doesn't cop your attitude "haven't you $&@) got something better to do you $&)@" - and he's a pig, if he doesn't let you off for you doing wrong he's not fair and for doing his job professionally he gets complaints......you walk in to get a meal because your hungry and your intimidating, gun belts etc all are heavy and uncomfortable at times, you sit in your car and think about those sports seat poking his gun into him, if gun belt worn around waist it gets in the road, try putting your hands on your hips to read a menu, hard.....If he lets someone off its because they knew him or she was pretty or he's corrupt, ...... Sound familiar..... Then acting in good faith and going beyond doing common sense to help someone he gets a complaint by someone totally random member of the public walking past not knowing the FULL situation and he's before internal affairs explaining his action facing a neg duty for not taking action so they can write off the random complaint or it's in the media blown out of all proportion without the officer being allowed to correct or answer media questions. One more thing, how many times do you think people lie to him trying to get out of it??? I used to get told I've never been booked before countless times to find they had atrocious records (so when some is actually honest it falls on deaf ears), or I wasn't speeding (you spot them (they've already got your speed) you immediately take foot off accelerator applying brakes meanwhile washing off speed then, then look at their speedo and of course they're not doing 85kph now they see 65kph, then you see the u-turn in the review mirror. Yes, the radar shows all this whilst we see the motorists car dramatically nose dive and speed plummet along with the Doppler shift frequency pitch!, yet they weren't speeding or they try and say they didn't have their license and try to supply false information that instead of a ticket turns into an arrest situation all dictated by the offenders actions even when you warn them of the consequence of supply false information, they still do it, In short he's damed if does or doesn't ...... Again as a society we like to blame everyone else even the HWP guy than to accept responsibility and accountability or the consequences of our own actions. So let's put that microscope on ourselves and ask are WE being fair in all this??? Cheers

Yes I admit it I HAVE got sour grapes, after 40 years with a clean license I did a uie at the lights and believe it or no didn't know it was an offence as I wrongly assumed if it didn't say no u turn you could do it (it didn't say anything) and yes I DID write to the commissioner who promptly hand balled it to the desk sergeant who all but told me where to go and yes I DO think after FORTY years that one mistake should count for a caution I even asked to pay a fine but pleaded to keep my points intact , might as well have asked a blind man to paint my portrait so sorry mate but I'm seriously NOT impressed with your lot at all , what have I done ? was I hooning ? doing burn out's ? driving with no license ? driving recklessly ? no you tell me do you not think even I deserve a caution ? no mate I've got a job so instant revenue and they know I'll pay it , why ? cause I'm honest and a safe bet they'll get their brownie points and their revenue it's enough to make you sick the crim's get off time and time again (no hope of getting ANYTHING out of them) and us lot cop it so now you at least know why Joe public (this one anyway) cant look up to you lot with respect, 3 months ago our neighbor went to Bali left her a@#$#@$ of a son in the house who went MENTAL for 3 night s we had shouting swearing screaming when it got to doing burnouts up the street I phoned the cops at 10pm yet again at 12 am again at 2 am and this time I said listen to them doing burnouts and they are smashed of thier face and STILL no one came, I'm handing them hoons on a plate and they DONT come ??? but I do a uie and bang I'm done ??? no mate sorry but this guy has the grumps and I think I've every right to be pissed at how the law shapes up at least here anyway........................

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You need to write into where you pay the fine not the coppers. If your driving record is like you say I cant believe they wouldn't caution you if you send a letter in. If not personally I would take it to court based on your record and you could represent yourself as having a lawyer would cost you more then the fine itself. (think court costs here is about $50 you would have to pay, maybe more over your way, but you can ask the question in regards to court costs) I reckon the judge would look at your history and throw the fine out.....If that all fails then you have pissed some off in your life time lol........Cheers Steve

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You need to write into where you pay the fine not the coppers. If your driving record is like you say I cant believe they wouldn't caution you if you send a letter in. If not personally I would take it to court based on your record and you could represent yourself as having a lawyer would cost you more then the fine itself. (think court costs here is about $50 you would have to pay, maybe more over your way, but you can ask the question in regards to court costs) I reckon the judge would look at your history and throw the fine out.....If that all fails then you have pissed some off in your life time lol........Cheers Steve

Hi Steve yes I think it's all too late now buddy you have to pay within 28 days and as I all ready have (stupid law abiding citizen) I think I can safely say my clean license is now gone mate, but it's good to think some out there gives a shit so thanks for that mate.............

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, 3 months ago our neighbor went to Bali left her a@#$#@$ of a son in the house who went MENTAL for 3 night s we had shouting swearing screaming when it got to doing burnouts up the street I phoned the cops at 10pm yet again at 12 am again at 2 am and this time I said listen to them doing burnouts and they are smashed of thier face and STILL no one came, I'm handing them hoons on a plate and they DONT come .

There's ya problem mate....you live in Rockingham.

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Seriously, if you are not happy about the police (in) attention to your calls then you should talk to your local MP.

[t303 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close t303]

Seriously, if you are not happy about the police (in) attention to your calls then you should talk to your local MP.

Yep, have done that and received a call from some "special" (apply your own definition of the term) political liaison officer for the commissioner who basically wanted to make sure I would just shut up and go away. The policing in the area never improved for sure.

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They actively encourage people to film the miscreants and supply the footage for inquiry. Keep a spare copy for the media or upload to social forums if the police fail to act on the info. But, be prepared to support police in court with your evidential observations. If you're not prepared to help then you have no right to complain: united we stand.