NSW Police targetting 5 Post bullbars.

[Graz Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Graz]

I don't think think the one in the photo is photoshopped. just google BNS utes and you will see, .

You think you can drive down the road with that bar 5mm from the ground ?
Or do we think the ute has air suspension and mack truck front springs to raise it 250mm ?

[r4ndll Avid PP Poster! Find all posts View Profile Close r4ndll]

Oh don't get me started on the pedestrian council... They've got an issue with towbars & segways too. I don't get these big bullbars (and they're fugly) but I see the benefit bullbars bring out in the bush (where there aren't many pedestrians)

[pete8205 Member Find all posts View Profile Close pete8205]

when you look at the side skirts there only just off the ground, and guys are putting air suspension on these. it only needs to be 110mm off the ground to be legal

[pete8205 Member Find all posts View Profile Close pete8205]

have a look at http://bullbarsaustralia.com.au/
they built the bar and the same car can be found on the web site

[Jaymboze Member Find all posts View Profile Close Jaymboze]

What effect would a bar that size, or even bigger have on a vehicles handling...?
These things are ridiculous to say the least, and only there to compete with the "look at me crowd" with the truck mudflaps and 10 cb aerials.
Sure they work, but so do standard size bullbars.
Not sure I buy into the " must have" comments due to heaps of roos etc....
Driving to the conditions greatly reduces your chance of hitting animals on the roadside, including staying away at dawn and dusk if possible. I know that most people know this, but it's amazing how many ignore it...!

Just sayin'

[Beach Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close Beach]

Oh don't get me started on the pedestrian council... They've got an issue with towbars & segways too.

"One (nuisance) man with a fax machine."

[Graz Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Graz]

have a look at http://bullbarsaustralia.com.au/
they built the bar and the same car can be found on the web site

WOW my bad.
That is just crazy having a bar that size on a ute

[birdboy Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close birdboy]

have a look at http://bullbarsaustralia.com.au/
they built the bar and the same car can be found on the web site

Yeah i don't understand how you can run a business selling stuff like this that is illegal?
...and damn ugly!
I totally get having a bull bar and whilst its easy to say, you can't always avoid driving at the wrong times in the wrong places.
But these really are stupid.

[mjrandom Out of control poster! Find all posts View Profile Close mjrandom]

There are plenty who swear by those four and five posters and then probably more who swear at them! Rules in various states have changed and these are illegal here in Q too. Lots of stuff is sold for 'off road use only' or similar, like HID kits for headlights, oversize tyres, wheels with the wrong offset and so on. You makes your choice and takes your chances.

[camdyson Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close camdyson]

None for a 150?! Spewin'......

[r4ndll Avid PP Poster! Find all posts View Profile Close r4ndll]

Interesting note from Tuffbullbars on their website in response to the clampdown and percieved bias by NSW Police. (Ps saw one of these on a V6 120 Prado in Sydney CBD once. Can only think they were visitors)

Full note here: http://www.tuffbullbars.com

' What is of particular concern to TUFF is the suggestion in the article that bullbars are non compliant because they have five posts. That is simply not the case. There is nothing whatsoever in the Australian Standard AS4876.1-2002 or the relevant Australian Design Rules which prohibits five post bullbars. The relevant requirement under AS4876.1-2002 is that the bullbar "generally conforms to the shape, in plan view, front view and side view, of the front of the vehicle to which it is fitted". '

[mjrandom Out of control poster! Find all posts View Profile Close mjrandom]

Not sure how they can say that. Qld regs do not allow any protrusions beneath the bumper part of the bar and the ADRs state that the bar must lean back.

[r4ndll Avid PP Poster! Find all posts View Profile Close r4ndll]

Not sure how they can say that. Qld regs do not allow any protrusions beneath the bumper part of the bar and the ADRs state that the bar must lean back.

Piggy's original Goulburn Post article post states NSW police are cracking down on 5 poster bars as illegal. Tuff are responding saying that 5 posters per se are not illegal under ADR

The article also quotes Inspector Jeff Boon “They disable all of the modern safety features like air bags and crumple zones,”. Tuff have also responded saying that they have air-bag compliance certificates for all their products.

I'm not au fait with the ADR's but my limited understanding is that there is nothing that prevents 5 post bullbars, and that as long as they are conform to AS4876.1 they are permissable.

Anyway will be interesting to see the outcome for this particular manufacturer - pretty sure they don't make the one in the OP's picture, but are the 'QLD manufacturer' Inspector Boon is referring to.

ADR/Australian Standards

ADR 42.9 makes no mention of number of posts - 42.9. EXTERNAL OR INTERNAL PROTRUSIONS
42.9.1. No vehicle must be equipped with:
42.9.1.1. any object or fitting, not technically essential to such vehicle, which protrudes from any part of the vehicle so that it is likely to increase the risk of bodily injury to any person;
42.9.1.2. any object or fitting technically essential to such vehicle unless its design, construction and conditions and the manner in which it is affixed to the vehicle are such as to reduce to a minimum the risk of bodily injury to any person;
42.9.1.3. any object or fitting which, because it is pointed or has a sharp edge, is likely to increase the risk of bodily injury to any person; or
42.9.1.4. any bumper bar the end of which is not turned towards the body of the vehicle to a sufficient extent to avoid any risk of hooking or grazing

AS 4876.1-2002:
A VFPS shall have a profile that generally conforms to the shape, in plan view, front view and side view, of the front of the vehicle to which it is fitted. The fitting of a VFPS shall not increase the overall width of the vehicle, excluding mirrors.
The following measures shall be taken to prevent the VFPS from hooking or grazing other road users:
(a) VFPS exposed edges shall be chamfered and free of burrs or sharp edges.
(b) No forward facing edge radii shall be less than 5 mm.
(c) There shall be no open-ended frame members.
(d) Small components, such as brackets, shall be free of burrs and sharp edges and shall be rearward of the front face of the VFPS.
/...
3.1 AUSTRALIAN DESIGN RULES COMPLIANCE
When fitted with a vehicle frontal protection systems (VFPS), the vehicle shall continue to comply with all applicable Australian Design Rules.
3.2 ROAD USER PROTECTION CRITERION
When tested in accordance with one of: Appendix A, Appendix B or an equivalent test method, no part of the VFPS that is more than one metre above the road surface shall produce a HIC exceeding 1500 at 30 km/h

[yowie Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close yowie]

Oh don't get me started on the pedestrian council... They've got an issue with towbars & segways too. I don't get these big bullbars (and they're fugly) but I see the benefit bullbars bring out in the bush (where there aren't many pedestrians)

Harold Scruby, president of the Pedestrian Council, probably has an agenda for his council, but I won't be putting the reason into writing.

He is against any bullbars on any vehicle. It is usually not the vehicle driver's fault, it is the f**kwit pedestrians who walk or run across the road, not looking out for vehicles, talking on mobiles, headphones covering their ears, walking against "Don't Walk" lights, etc.

[thebigo Member Find all posts View Profile Close thebigo]

Yeah I see that website with the photos but I still struggle to believe it.

It must be made of plastic because the sheer weight of a solid bar would mean the front shocks and springs would need to be rated ridiculously to cope with the load created as the car downward loads into a hollow at highway speed. Or the standing ground clearance in that photo allows for no travel.
I smell Bull5h.t but I agree those bars on the website on the F-150s etc look possible. Just those Commodore and Falcon utes with that much weight on the front would not drive at all. First big bump they would smash on the ground as the car squats on the downward travel. No suspension could absorb downward load with no movement. Car would be not be driveable.
If they are so confident post a video of it travelling a country highway.