Speed cameras on Sunshine Coast beaches

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Sorry, but this is incorrect. ADRs make it illegal for a manufacturer to produce a speedo that says you are going slower than you actually are. That's why many are 4 - 6km/hr out, that is, they tell you that you are doing 110 but in reality you are only doing 106. The only way you can stuff it up is to put bigger tyres on your car.

Yeah it used to be + or - 10% lol......

I thought the revised ADR, was no under reading is allowed, over reading maximum 4 Klm's per hr.

Anyway you are right, but some do still under read, Old & not so old. Some 120 Prados included.

Carry on.......

[juc33_prado Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close juc33_prado]

Also remember we are talking about a beach here, it's not like your rushing for work or desperately trying to get to shops before they close, your driving down the beach for recreational purposes. Sit 10k under te speed limit, put the cruise on to make sure and relax, which after all is why you would be there in he first place isn't it?

Cheers Andrew

cruise probably not recommended due to washouts lol

SAM

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I guess the issue I have is not that the guilty are punished but that the beach is like a 50km long school zone. People can and do stop anywhere and kids being kids wander. I would much rather the police do patrols up and down the beach, they would still pick up a heap of fines but the physical presence would also help calm everyone down. No point someone getting a fine in the mail two weeks after running over a kid chasing a dog.

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cruise probably not recommended due to washouts lol

SAM

I have driven the beach and yeah those washouts are a pain. I say use the cruise because it stops you creeping up in speed. Better to have to brake from 40km/hr with cruise on than from 60 without!

I use cruise a lot on Outback roads, the better ones anyway, the ones where you can mostly cruise at a constant speed, if I don't its easy to creep up in speed and all of a sudden you are travelling way faster than common sense dictates. If you come across a washout or a bulldust hole just tap the brake or hit the button and its turned off anyway.

Cheers Andrew

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I guess the issue I have is not that the guilty are punished but that the beach is like a 50km long school zone. People can and do stop anywhere and kids being kids wander. I would much rather the police do patrols up and down the beach, they would still pick up a heap of fines but the physical presence would also help calm everyone down. No point someone getting a fine in the mail two weeks after running over a kid chasing a dog.

At Double Island they only tend to patrol the camping areas ie where speed is more restricted down to 40 or 50 (don't remember which) and ignore the 80km sections. This is likely where most kids/dogs/adults are going to be. At least in my experience of seeing them patrol with handheld radar and unmarked vehicles

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The placement of speed cameras is set by government and not police - at least here in WA. The office of road safety says where they want them located. Police then roster their multanova operators to those locations on a rotating basis. They still don't have a camera operator in the Goldfields or Kimberley. Speed isn't the demon - fatigue, carelessness and drug driving are. They haven't yet invented a machine that can point out those affected drivers without stopping them first. Despite all the media hype, the national road toll has been spiralling downwards for the past decade or so. Cars are getting safer to crash in, that's been the biggest contributor to road safety. Only the goons that refuse to wear seatbelts are not walking away from many of the crashes these days.

We should also add operator education to the list of factors that have reduced the road toll. A pity its only compulsory for motorcycle riders.

[Black Mamba 2014 Member Find all posts View Profile Close Black Mamba 2014]

My thoughts:-
- Open speed limit on all roads (built up area/highway/beaches)
- Fines for running over children and adults - electric chair
- Running off the road/hitting another vehicle or crashing into an object/buildings etc - imprisonment 10 years.
or
- Speed camera every 1 Km's
- over 7 Km's - $1000
- over 10 Km's - $2000
- over 20 Km's - $4000
- over 30 Km's - $8000
- receiving three speed fines under 3 months - imprisonment 5 years and vehicle will be confiscated and crushed
- If you can't pay the fine within 1 month - imprisonment 2 years and vehicle will be confiscated and crushed.

Driver's/Offender's will only learn if a harsher penalty is applied, it is the same with all criminal acts.
By having demerit points/small fines, this will only give the driver an opportunity to laugh about it and do it again and hoping he/she won't get caught.
Road Laws or any Law should be state wide because it is one country, so their is no ambiguity.

Let's face it at times when they are a set rules and regulations, people tends to brake them because of that unacceptable feeling of being that bad arse and you can talk about it with family and friends as a conversation topic whilst out on the piss.
eg. Cairns to the Victorian border =37 hours non stop (fuel stop only), this is not achievable with all the traffic and small towns along the way where you have to slow right down to 50 Km's, you could easily speed at night going through the country roads/back roads.

It does not matter where there is police presence or a speeding ticket being sent to the offender, it has the same outcome. The only difference is he/she will receive it in the mail at a later date which means he/she can drive around speeding and knowing that they might get away with because they haven't been caught. A police officer can be persuade by a very attractive female who can talk her way out of a wet paper bag, or even a male who has that strong character presence.

In conclusion, harsher penalty and removing the demerit points will teach offenders a lesson which means loose of licence. It does not matter where the speed sign is located, driver's should follow the rules to avoid any repercussions.

[macaroon1 Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close macaroon1]

Sorry this is a load of rubbish.

It's my personal opinion, not rubbish. I think you meant to say you politely disagree, that's the correct etiquette.

Behaviour has changed in Victoria because speed traps are covert.

?? That's exactly what I was saying, the whole crux of my statement.

That means the revenue dropped.

??? So.... it's raising revenue....again I said it revenue raises. All fiscal penalties are revenue raisers. So in Vic it's slipped from a historical high...BECAUSE PEOPLES BEHAVIOUR HAS BEEN MODIFIED

So the tolerance was reduced to +/- 2kph. That can be the width of the speedo needle. It also doesn't take into account a possible and likely error in the mass produced speedo. But thats been sewn up making you, the driver, responsible despite you having no way of verifying the accuracy of the device. Well, you can but it costs a lot of coin.

Like Bushbasher has alluded too in his concise facts overleaf...incorrect.

Also these scenarios don't allow for an honest mistake. We all have times when we're a bit over without realising it or meaning it. But that can attract a pay up notice. Strangely, many people are still alive after such occurrences.

But "Speed kills". Apparently.

Your not going to get penalised for going slightly over. They are targeting the wost offenders which I'm sure there are many.

[Beach Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close Beach]

My thoughts:-
- Open speed limit on all roads (built up area/highway/beaches)
- Fines for running over children and adults - electric chair
- Running off the road/hitting another vehicle or crashing into an object/buildings etc - imprisonment 10 years.
or
- Speed camera every 1 Km's
- over 7 Km's - $1000
- over 10 Km's - $2000
- over 20 Km's - $4000
- over 30 Km's - $8000
- receiving three speed fines under 3 months - imprisonment 5 years and vehicle will be confiscated and crushed
- If you can't pay the fine within 1 month - imprisonment 2 years and vehicle will be confiscated and crushed.

Driver's/Offender's will only learn if a harsher penalty is applied, it is the same with all criminal acts.
By having demerit points/small fines, this will only give the driver an opportunity to laugh about it and do it again and hoping he/she won't get caught.
Road Laws or any Law should be state wide because it is one country, so their is no ambiguity.

Let's face it at times when they are a set rules and regulations, people tends to brake them because of that unacceptable feeling of being that bad arse and you can talk about it with family and friends as a conversation topic whilst out on the piss.
eg. Cairns to the Victorian border =37 hours non stop (fuel stop only), this is not achievable with all the traffic and small towns along the way where you have to slow right down to 50 Km's, you could easily speed at night going through the country roads/back roads.

It does not matter where there is police presence or a speeding ticket being sent to the offender, it has the same outcome. The only difference is he/she will receive it in the mail at a later date which means he/she can drive around speeding and knowing that they might get away with because they haven't been caught. A police officer can be persuade by a very attractive female who can talk her way out of a wet paper bag, or even a male who has that strong character presence.

In conclusion, harsher penalty and removing the demerit points will teach offenders a lesson which means loose of licence. It does not matter where the speed sign is located, driver's should follow the rules to avoid any repercussions.

You forgot to throw in proper and on going operator education and training, from the first instance of vehicle operation. It worked spectacularly for motorcycle riders in this country, yet somehow compulsory driver training for the biggest user group on our roads - car drivers - is a bad idea.

Surely proper education and training is better approach in the first instance? Adversarial, big stick approaches seem to be the all pervasive attitude now.

[Beach Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close Beach]

It's my personal opinion, not rubbish. I think you meant to say you politely disagree, that's the correct etiquette.


?? That's exactly what I was saying, the whole crux of my statement.

??? So.... it's raising revenue....again I said it revenue raises. All fiscal penalties are revenue raisers. So in Vic it's slipped from a historical high...BECAUSE PEOPLES BEHAVIOUR HAS BEEN MODIFIED

Like Bushbasher has alluded too in his concise facts overleaf...incorrect.



Your not going to get penalised for going slightly over. They are targeting the wost offenders which I'm sure there are many.

Are the capitals meant to represent shouting?

Anyway, behaviour was modified and the revenue dropped, so more measures were needed to get the revenue back. Hence people getting pay up notices for minor "offences". $100million per state per year (NSW & Vic) is not going to be allowed to just slip away.

Also note that when the coppers want a pay rise and its refused by the state gubbermint, they respond by refusing to issue traffic fines, thereby "denying the government the revenue from this..." After about a week of "losing revenue", the government caves and the coppers duly get their back pocket massaged. Nice little rort if ever there was one.

But its not about the revenue and we should all pay homage to our poor hard working tax collectors in blue.

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Can't believe this has reached 3 pages. Same old broken record.