Portable butane cookers withdrawn from sale in NSW

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Anyone every heard of one popping?


Thousands being used & I have not heard of one popping......... Who has?

Have heard of a few gas bbq's at home having fires etc from leaking hoses.
Maybe we should ban all portable gas appliances.

I have heard about them exploding,but we don't need to ban all gas appliances as the gas cylinder typically isn't contained under the burner but rather remote via connecting hose which poses far less risk.
A few news article as examples
http://www.frasercoastchronicle.com....ey-bay/830240/
another
http://www.thechronicle.com.au/news/...oonie/1685105/
another
http://www.themorningbulletin.com.au...-girl/2044300/

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Another friend I was talking to today, I informed him about it & I found out he is another to add to the list of a home BBQ gas bottle/hose fire.
We should never underestimate the dangers of any gas appliance, especially all the portable types where a gas bottle/can needs to be connected.

Typically with an appliance like a bbq or gas camp stove the AGA approval is issued to the appliance with a separate approval for the rego and another approval for the hose unless the hose is machine fitted to the rego which then would have its combined approval. These are far more safe than these $20 chinese cookers, and with the common sense that you speak of are quite safe if necessary precautions are taken.
The fire that your mate speaks of will be from a leak on 1 of the connections along the connection, if ignited it will burn as a orange flame that although will scare the bejesus out of most folk is somewhat controlled burning with a pressure of 2.75kpa and can be stopped by isolating the gas bottle valve which is what your mate did as he is still here to tell you about it. If left to burn then it may cause a major fire by igniting surrounding surfaces. The danger of any gas appliance is the unignited /undetected gas leak that left can explode when an ignition source ignites, [this is what happen to mate who was killed when a lpg bottle leaked over night in his van and exploded on opening the van door].
If you took your 9kg gas bottle and placed it in the camp fire it would heat up ,expand and the safety valve would blow off and burn with a rather large fire but the bottle typically won't explode. The difference with the lunch box cooker gas canister bottle is when subject to heat there is no safety blow off valve ,just a container expanding ready to explode which is deadly.

As a safety tip for your typical lpg appliance like bbq ,just grab the spray n wipe from the kitchen and spray it over all the gas connections and if it bubbles then you have a leak to fix.

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Thanks for the info Rags. Sorry bout your mate too.



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Typically with an appliance like a bbq or gas camp stove the AGA approval is issued to the appliance with a separate approval for the rego and another approval for the hose unless the hose is machine fitted to the rego which then would have its combined approval. These are far more safe than these $20 chinese cookers, and with the common sense that you speak of are quite safe if necessary precautions are taken.
The fire that your mate speaks of will be from a leak on 1 of the connections along the connection, if ignited it will burn as a orange flame that although will scare the bejesus out of most folk is somewhat controlled burning with a pressure of 2.75kpa and can be stopped by isolating the gas bottle valve which is what your mate did as he is still here to tell you about it. If left to burn then it may cause a major fire by igniting surrounding surfaces. The danger of any gas appliance is the unignited /undetected gas leak that left can explode when an ignition source ignites, [this is what happen to mate who was killed when a lpg bottle leaked over night in his van and exploded on opening the van door].
If you took your 9kg gas bottle and placed it in the camp fire it would heat up ,expand and the safety valve would blow off and burn with a rather large fire but the bottle typically won't explode. The difference with the lunch box cooker gas canister bottle is when subject to heat there is no safety blow off valve ,just a container expanding ready to explode which is deadly.

As a safety tip for your typical lpg appliance like bbq ,just grab the spray n wipe from the kitchen and spray it over all the gas connections and if it bubbles then you have a leak to fix.

Thank you for that explanation. Good safety talk really.

Another friend had a home BBQ start a house fire from the leak, (couldn't get to valve) fortunately nobody was badly hurt or killed similar to those 3 examples you posted above. It seems I have lots of friends who have fires with home bbq's, silly friends? lol...... I have never had a problem, 20 years ago I was doing lpg conversions & I understand how dangerous it is, quite scary changing out gas tank sender units & gauges.

Has anyone been killed from a butane burner?

My uncle has worked for shell most of his life & is also telling me how volatile butane is.

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I have always found my butane cookers gas bottle gets icy cold when in use.
But I can understand how the bottles get hot if you have an oversized pan on top.
I usually just use the BBQ hot plate that came with it, or a billy..

Banned from sale, but are they banned from use?

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if they are that dangerous why this site the only place where i have heard of it.
Asked some friends if they knew about, none did.

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if they are that dangerous why this site the only place where i have heard of it.
Asked some friends if they knew about, none did.

There was a link to the NSW Fair Trading notice in the 1st post but here it is again :-

http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/ft...le_butane.page

I also heard about it via the Toyota Landcruiser Club Victoria's Facebook page.

I have a Gasmate branded one purchased from Bunnings and have never had an issue, can't seem to find it on the website now. Like any gas appliance you have to be careful with them.

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Has anyone been killed from a butane burner?

My uncle has worked for shell most of his life & is also telling me how volatile butane is.

Just checked ABS - latest figures are for 2012 - Of all 147,098 Australian deaths in 2012, 2 were by "Explosion and rupture of gas cylinder (W36)"- that's 0.0014%.

Kind of puts into perspective compared to some of the other accidental deaths out there. I don't see them banning hot water taps, chairs or walking?
2 from a fall involving ice-skates, skis, roller-skates or skateboards
3 from contact with hot tap water
32 from falling off a chair
44 from choking on food
575 from 'Fall on same level from slipping, tripping and stumbling"

(if anyone has experienced loss from one of these, I am truly sorry. My intention is purely to provide an illustrative point)

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Just checked ABS - latest figures are for 2012 - Of all 147,098 Australian deaths in 2012, 2 were by "Explosion and rupture of gas cylinder (W36)"- that's 0.0014%.

Kind of puts into perspective compared to some of the other accidental deaths out there. I don't see them banning hot water taps, chairs or walking?
2 from a fall involving ice-skates, skis, roller-skates or skateboards
3 from contact with hot tap water
32 from falling off a chair
44 from choking on food
575 from 'Fall on same level from slipping, tripping and stumbling"

(if anyone has experienced loss from one of these, I am truly sorry. My intention is purely to provide an illustrative point)

Thank you. Maybe they were LPG cylinders not butane cans.

Lets ban walking.
Crawling will get us there safely.....

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Just for the doubters of the dangers of these cookers, the most recent accident resulting in a death
http://www.northernstar.com.au/news/...al-af/2531129/

and the follow up story
http://www.northernstar.com.au/news/...okers/2565214/

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Just for the doubters of the dangers of these cookers, the most recent accident resulting in a death
http://www.northernstar.com.au/news/...al-af/2531129/

and the follow up story
http://www.northernstar.com.au/news/...okers/2565214/

I don't think anybody is doubting how dangerous the use of gas is.
Especially in a confined space.
There may be more dangerous things that are not banned that's all.
Anyway it's all dangerous, just like driving a motor vehicle, so be carefull & use caution!!!!

I think perhaps this is the one that motivated the ban.

Not good!! Poor bugger.

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Interesting, Fair Trading NSW say

"What does the ‘stop sale’ involve?

As the certification approvals have been suspended, an immediate ‘stop sale’ of single burner portable butane cookers has been put in place.

Fair Trading supports the decision to suspend these approvals based on recent testing of market models that showed clear non-compliance to the Australian Standard.

There is no recall at this stage, as the suspension of the certificates immediately removes all the cookers from the marketplace.

Fair Trading will monitor the effect of the suspension of approvals and continue to concentrate on ensuring they are no longer sold.
"

Does this mean they don't think it is a safety issue or they don't give a damn about consumers health and safety.

S

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sounds like If you have one which I do, it's tough sh1t.

how did they get certified in the first place?
the ones I have are certified? to what? and have a sticker.
that's what I was getting at in my previous post, how many out there and how many know of the potential danger?
I think stop safe means opps we weren't on top of this

Fred

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Will they be banning the cheap cartridges also?
I note: that you can now get a "Premium" CRV type cartridge which vents under pressure instead of exploding... (eg the Campmaster and Wollies brands)
see video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDIWMp3cIPM

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Thanks for the warning rags,
These cookers are just another potential hazard I have with me when I'm camping that I tend to forget about. (And never really thought about the danger of putting an oversize pan on the cooker). So thanks again, and I think you'll see the old cans just get replaced by the new vented ones and life will go as normal.....
THis also may be a timely reminder to ALWAYS check your rubber "O" rings on your gas hose fitting connections EVERY time you screw it into the bottle as they dont last forever and end up cracking, which I have experienced first hand where flames came erupting out the cracked "O"ring and had to turn it off at the bottle (right near the flames)
Go to Barbeques Galore or similar and they have spare "O"rings. Keep one in the car as a back up. Murphy's Law dictates it'll happen when your in the middle of no-where!
Cheers Gaz