Snatch straps rated

[Black 150 Member Find all posts View Profile Close Black 150]

Interesting read in the latest unsealed 4x4 magazine, snatch straps independantly rated.

Link to article

Bit of concern is the Tigerz11 hercules strap breaking well below the rating and with very little stretch. I have recently purchased this strap and having doubts wether I'll use it or not now.

[AK7 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close AK7]

I stumbled across this on the weekend. About 20mm thick. Seems lighter than snatch straps. Would love to see how those claims hold up...

[Bear63 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Bear63]

Just read the artical myself they wearnt happy the ironman ones because of the result, but they did contact them about it so they have stopped selling that particular one

[Tauras Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Tauras]

I smell class action potential here against Tigerz11....If anyone has a strap they want to return, I suggest that Tigerz11 may have breached Australian Law.

COMPETITION AND CONSUMER ACT 2010 - SCHEDULE 2

Section 55 Guarantee as to fitness for any disclosed purpose etc.

(1) If:

(a) a person (the supplier ) supplies, in trade or commerce, goods to a consumer; and

(b) the supply does not occur by way of sale by auction;

there is a guarantee that the goods are reasonably fit for any disclosed purpose, and for any purpose for which the supplier represents that they are reasonably fit.

Section 260 When a failure to comply with a guarantee is a major failure

A failure to comply with a guarantee referred to in section 259(1)(b) that applies to a supply of goods is a major failure if:

(a) the goods would not have been acquired by a reasonable consumer fully acquainted with the nature and extent of the failure; or

(b) the goods depart in one or more significant respects:

(i) if they were supplied by description--from that description; or

(ii) if they were supplied by reference to a sample or demonstration model--from that sample or demonstration model; or

(c) the goods are substantially unfit for a purpose for which goods of the same kind are commonly supplied and they cannot, easily and within a reasonable time, be remedied to make them fit for such a purpose; or

(d) the goods are unfit for a disclosed purpose that was made known to:

(i) the supplier of the goods; or

(ii) a person by whom any prior negotiations or arrangements in relation to the acquisition of the goods were conducted or made;

and they cannot, easily and within a reasonable time, be remedied to make them fit for such a purpose; or

(e) the goods are not of acceptable quality because they are unsafe.

Section 259 Action against suppliers of goods

(3) If the failure to comply with the guarantee cannot be remedied or is a major failure, the consumer may:

(a) subject to section 262, notify the supplier that the consumer rejects the goods and of the ground or grounds for the rejection; or

(b) by action against the supplier, recover compensation for any reduction in the value of the goods below the price paid or payable by the consumer for the goods.

[AJ120 Out of control poster! Find all posts View Profile Close AJ120]

Firstly is anyone really surprised that a $35 snatch strap isn't up to standard? What's that about getting what you pay for

Also it's totally coincidence that ARB that sponsor Pat, who is behind unsealed came in first place, TigerZ11 is owned or part owned by EMG, who are the mags opposition came last................

Personally I wouldn't buy a cheap nasty strap, I in fact have ARB straps, but I also take any advice I read in a magazine with a very large grain of salt.

Cheers Andrew

[Spilsy Avid PP Poster! Find all posts View Profile Close Spilsy]

Snatch straps are a bit like helmets, sort of. You use them a few times and then you replace them. If you keep stressing them they are going to start to plastically deform and then they may as well be a piece of telecom rope.

Its concerning that the Tigerz11 one failed pretty badly, but, how often are you going to be applying a constant 8000kg load to your strap? Reading the article, there was no real reason why the ARB was better than the runner up...so one can assume that the team used their discretion to rate it better than the others.

Does anyone know if there is an Australian Standard for recovery gear? Perhaps there should be?

[mjrandom Out of control poster! Find all posts View Profile Close mjrandom]

As Andrew has said watch out who sponsors whom because that is how the results will fall. I have lost interest in pretty much all the magazines.

[Turbo Piston Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Turbo Piston]

Firstly is anyone really surprised that a $35 snatch strap isn't up to standard? What's that about getting what you pay for

Also it's totally coincidence that ARB that sponsor Pat, who is behind unsealed came in first place, TigerZ11 is owned or part owned by EMG, who are the mags opposition came last................

Personally I wouldn't buy a cheap nasty strap, I in fact have ARB straps, but I also take any advice I read in a magazine with a very large grain of salt.

Cheers Andrew

Agree with the above!

[Bailey84 Member Find all posts View Profile Close Bailey84]

Reading the article, there was no real reason why the ARB was better than the runner up...so one can assume that the team used their discretion to rate it better than the others.

That was my take on it as well...

You guys might be able to tell me I am wrong but I was thinking TJM should have been the winner. Average brake was 8,500kg and stretch was 24%... Doesn't that mean you need less force to get the strap to stretch..

With ARB wouldn't you need more force to get less stretch which means more potential for damage? ARB needed over 9,500kg to get 23% stretch?

Also the review notes you need a strap 2 - 3 times your GVM... So for your 2,500kg car you want 7,500kg. So you buy a 8,000kg strap. But if you bought the ARB is actually 9,500kg, which is nearly 4 times your GVM....

How ARB came out the winner, shows you how the magazine is put together..

[BiLLz0r Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close BiLLz0r]

Also I'd rather my snatch strap break then what it's attached to. It's meant to be the part with the weakest link after all.

[andoland Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close andoland]

Hmmm, I thought it was a pretty good article given that it gave actual data from a 3rd party organisation for each of the brands tested. Most people should be able to pick up the article (or just the summary table at the end) and make a pretty reasonable assessment of which brand is good and which is not. As to who "won", it's not like the ARB straps were nowhere near the best - the data shows that they were in the top 2 or 3 performers and there was not much between them, so I don't see it as a big deal.

There were two interesting conclusions for me: the fact that a couple of the brands were so poor compared to their rating and that there was quite a bit of variability within particular brands - 15-26% for some brands.

The lack of information about follow up with the Tigerz11 (like they did with Ironman) makes me wonder whether they contacted Tigerz11 or not, or whether Tigerz11 didn't respond to they chose not to publish anything.

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Firstly is anyone really surprised that a $35 snatch strap isn't up to standard? What's that about getting what you pay for

Also it's totally coincidence that ARB that sponsor Pat, who is behind unsealed came in first place, TigerZ11 is owned or part owned by EMG, who are the mags opposition came last................

Personally I wouldn't buy a cheap nasty strap, I in fact have ARB straps, but I also take any advice I read in a magazine with a very large grain of salt.

Cheers Andrew

So we are saying that NATA technicians are in the pay of ARB?

Snatch straps are a bit like helmets, sort of. You use them a few times and then you replace them. If you keep stressing them they are going to start to plastically deform and then they may as well be a piece of telecom rope.

Its concerning that the Tigerz11 one failed pretty badly, but, how often are you going to be applying a constant 8000kg load to your strap? Reading the article, there was no real reason why the ARB was better than the runner up...so one can assume that the team used their discretion to rate it better than the others.

Agree about the constant load.

Looking at the results, my mind ARB came out on top as average break and average stretch was the highest, and the straps were slightly longer than specified and they all broke above the specified limit even when wet. Some of the others failed below the limit when wet. Page 45 has the raw data, 46 has their reasoning.

FWIW I have Bushranger straps.

That was my take on it as well...

You guys might be able to tell me I am wrong but I was thinking TJM should have been the winner. Average brake was 8,500kg and stretch was 24%... Doesn't that mean you need less force to get the strap to stretch..

With ARB wouldn't you need more force to get less stretch which means more potential for damage? ARB needed over 9,500kg to get 23% stretch?

Also the review notes you need a strap 2 - 3 times your GVM... So for your 2,500kg car you want 7,500kg. So you buy a 8,000kg strap. But if you bought the ARB is actually 9,500kg, which is nearly 4 times your GVM....

How ARB came out the winner, shows you how the magazine is put together..

How could TJM win? On 2/3 occasions the strap failed at under the 8,000kg limit. That's just plain dangerous. The average value is misleading because the first one broke at 9,600kg.

Re the stretch, they're labelled to 8000kg but failed beyond that. Which is what you would expect because they should include a safety margin. Unlike the Tigerz11 which failed under its specified limit, which is far more dangerous. A snatch works by being a big elastic band. Its the stretch and rebound that helps. Also why its so dangerous.

[Ozpat Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close Ozpat]

So we are saying that NATA technicians are in the pay of ARB?

Well they did pay for the test. This is how all the drug companies, the beauty industry etc. put a spin on whatever reports come out of test labs especially if they pay for them. Keep a packet of salt handy.

[andoland Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close andoland]

I think some of you are reading far too much into this. There's no way a NATA lab, who have their name published in the article, would let anyone influence their tests, regardless of who pays for them.

[Bailey84 Member Find all posts View Profile Close Bailey84]

How could TJM win? On 2/3 occasions the strap failed at under the 8,000kg limit. That's just plain dangerous. The average value is misleading because the first one broke at 9,600kg.

Re the stretch, they're labelled to 8000kg but failed beyond that. Which is what you would expect because they should include a safety margin. Unlike the Tigerz11 which failed under its specified limit, which is far more dangerous. A snatch works by being a big elastic band. Its the stretch and rebound that helps. Also why its so dangerous.

I don't understand your logic. I would have thought the strap failing at 7,800kg is a lot safer than buying a strap that fails at over 10,000kg like the ARB.

I understand that the strap breaking at 7,800 is poor form. It is suppose to be an 8,000kg strap so you would expect it to break at over 8,000kg.

As for it being dangerous, i think that depends on how you look at it. I think its less dangerous as it will break with less force therefore less chance of damage to your car.