What device/s can u use in/on your car to record your vehicle speed accurately?

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Gents.....

Looking for ideas here as to whether there is any devices out there that can accurately record (& store) your vehicle speed during your travels? It has to have some sort of certificate that indicates it's been calibrated and Tested, and be legal to have installed in your vehicle....

Before anyone suggests the most common device - "GPS", that's not a certified &/or tested for accuracy device, etc. There is also the issue of driving up/down hills that can give u a false reading.....

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I would be interested to know why it needs to be calibrated, tested, certified, particularly the certified?

I don't know that I have an answer for you, however all our trucks are tracked, we call it GPS tracked but whether that is actually the system or not I am unsure. Anyway, certainly it records and stores speeds. The guys in the office can at anytime look us up, check where we are, what speed we are doing, check our speed history which is all recorded and graphed. Even when stationary they can tell if the engine is running or not......... we cant get away with anything.

I know lots of large trucking companies use these systems and many have policies where they give official warnings and can sack people based on these speeds, so it must have some legal clout. I know one of our drivers got the bullet 2 weeks ago after the numbers that came up confirmed a report from a member of the public about his driving.

I also know when I did my MC licence it was all video recorded, both forward facing and into the cab, that video was linked to a speed readout and GPS positioner and if I had gone even 1km/hr over any indicated speed limit it meant an instant fail, that would be based on the speeds recorded in the tracker, lined up with the footage and the GPS location. So once again I assume it has some legal standing / accreditation / certification, but I am only assuming.

I can ask at work tomorrow for more details on the system if you like.

Cheers Andrew

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http://www.ballingertech.com.au/spee...-detector.html

It won't store and still needs to be tested periodically to ensure accuracy.

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I would be interested to know why it needs to be calibrated, tested, certified, particularly the certified?

I don't know that I have an answer for you, however all our trucks are tracked, we call it GPS tracked but whether that is actually the system or not I am unsure. Anyway, certainly it records and stores speeds. The guys in the office can at anytime look us up, check where we are, what speed we are doing, check our speed history which is all recorded and graphed. Even when stationary they can tell if the engine is running or not......... we cant get away with anything.

I know lots of large trucking companies use these systems and many have policies where they give official warnings and can sack people based on these speeds, so it must have some legal clout. I know one of our drivers got the bullet 2 weeks ago after the numbers that came up confirmed a report from a member of the public about his driving.

I also know when I did my MC licence it was all video recorded, both forward facing and into the cab, that video was linked to a speed readout and GPS positioner and if I had gone even 1km/hr over any indicated speed limit it meant an instant fail, that would be based on the speeds recorded in the tracker, lined up with the footage and the GPS location. So once again I assume it has some legal standing / accreditation / certification, but I am only assuming.

I can ask at work tomorrow for more details on the system if you like.

Cheers Andrew

At work I used MTData Hawkeye to track our trucks. Although I only used it for logistical purposes I could tell exactly where they were, the speed they were doing etc. and if they were delayed at a customer's yard. I could even track them on any computer. It's overlaid on Google maps. Was a nightmare before we got it.

Cheers Jim.

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Gents.....

Looking for ideas here as to whether there is any devices out there that can accurately record (& store) your vehicle speed during your travels? It has to have some sort of certificate that indicates it's been calibrated and Tested, and be legal to have installed in your vehicle....

Before anyone suggests the most common device - "GPS", that's not a certified &/or tested for accuracy device, etc. There is also the issue of driving up/down hills that can give u a false reading.....

False reading.....explain. You do know how they work don't you?

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Hey Andrew, thanks for that, that would be great.....

The reason I'm asking this is I got pinned apparently doing 76 in a 60 zone (3pts here in Qld). When I got home I downloaded the GPS info and it only recorded a MAX of 68 in a 60 zone. The place where I got pinned was downhill at maybe a 10 degree (I'm guessing really). I took it to court and the usual reasons that it is not valid is because it's not a commercial GPS and therefore the accuracy of it is questionable + because it doesn't have a certificate (or whatever u want to call it) to say that it has been tested/calibrated to confirm it's accuracy, then I would lose in my attempt to have it over turned..... Add to this the error of travelling downhill as the GPS's only record your horizontal speeds & u could actually be travelling faster than your GPS indicates....

The system u guys use in the trucking companies, would probably stand up in court due to the Companies that sell them and the requirement of them to be accurate and they also would have the expert witnesses that u could use in court to back u up as well.....

I would be interested to know why it needs to be calibrated, tested, certified, particularly the certified?

I don't know that I have an answer for you, however all our trucks are tracked, we call it GPS tracked but whether that is actually the system or not I am unsure. Anyway, certainly it records and stores speeds. The guys in the office can at anytime look us up, check where we are, what speed we are doing, check our speed history which is all recorded and graphed. Even when stationary they can tell if the engine is running or not......... we cant get away with anything.

I know lots of large trucking companies use these systems and many have policies where they give official warnings and can sack people based on these speeds, so it must have some legal clout. I know one of our drivers got the bullet 2 weeks ago after the numbers that came up confirmed a report from a member of the public about his driving.

I also know when I did my MC licence it was all video recorded, both forward facing and into the cab, that video was linked to a speed readout and GPS positioner and if I had gone even 1km/hr over any indicated speed limit it meant an instant fail, that would be based on the speeds recorded in the tracker, lined up with the footage and the GPS location. So once again I assume it has some legal standing / accreditation / certification, but I am only assuming.

I can ask at work tomorrow for more details on the system if you like.

Cheers Andrew

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http://www.ballingertech.com.au/spee...-detector.html

It won't store and still needs to be tested periodically to ensure accuracy.

Interesting..... but only good on modern vehicles and the costs are ???.

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I normally see our logistics manager 3 or 4 times a day, but not today I'll try and remember next week to ask him about it.

Cheers Andrew

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Did you ask to see the certificate for the recent calibration of the device that caught you .

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Did you ask to see the certificate for the recent calibration of the device that caught you .

Yeah, got posted to me..... but who knows whether it was filled out b4 or after the fact.....

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GPS systems - totally unreliable when you want a reading that will stand up in court. A "company" that I know has hundreds of them using radio beacon GPS running off the digital telephone network in urban areas and satellite in rural areas. They recorded vehicles (commercial type vans and fourbies) doing over 250km/hr and even had some vehicles driving across the water.

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And, from the Queensland Police Speed Detection Manual:

6.9.1 Speed detection devices
POLICY
The Officer in Charge of the Calibration Laboratory, Radio and Electronics Section is to ensure that the testing and accuracy
calibration of speed detection devices is in compliance with the relevant Australian Standard and the manufacturers
guidelines.
The accuracy of the testing equipment is to be traceable to the National Measurement Act.

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How much is it to implement a fully certified and maintained device vs the number of incorrectly issued fines one is likely to be served?

[Beach Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close Beach]

Best of British with this one. I did a bunch of research a few years ago when I got pinged and I know I was going under the limit.

Our wonderful "authorities" do not want an adverse finding against any speed detection system. So despite any inaccuracies, "they" are always right. You won't get a court hearing if you can prove the device that busted you is wrong.

Be sure to post any information you find as I would like to have a certified device in my work vehicle.

A bit searching found this - http://www.tca.gov.au/

[Fred63 Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close Fred63]

one of our work vehicles was involved in a serious accident recently.
it had GPS tracking and had recorded the speed it had been doing prior to the accident.
the police are using the data as part of their investigation into the accident I believe.
if they are using the data for the investigation they must think the data reasonably is accurate.