Has anyone got experience with the nudge bars? I don't like the look of the full size bars and i'm worried about the weight, but would like some form of protection to my bumper in case I hit someone crossing the road or maybe a roo. Are these bars any actual useful for protecting the front-end or are they for show only? I notice the nudge bar on the 2018 looks different to that of the previous model. Whereas before there were two black seats that the bar secured in to, now it looks like it goes under the bumper almost as a deflection plate. Would that offer any additional protection when doing offroad? How sturdy and useful are these things? P.s. I'll be getting front parking sensors so doubt i'll need a nudge bar for parking only.
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Originally posted by Snouto View PostHas anyone got experience with the nudge bars? I don't like the look of the full size bars and i'm worried about the weight, but would like some form of protection to my bumper in case I hit someone crossing the road or maybe a roo. Are these bars any actual useful for protecting the front-end or are they for show only? I notice the nudge bar on the 2018 looks different to that of the previous model. Whereas before there were two black seats that the bar secured in to, now it looks like it goes under the bumper almost as a deflection plate. Would that offer any additional protection when doing offroad? How sturdy and useful are these things? P.s. I'll be getting front parking sensors so doubt i'll need a nudge bar for parking only.
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Originally posted by Rorz View PostIMO the nudge bars are good for parking and taking the hits in tight parking spaces regardless of whether you have sensors or not there will still be occasions where you hit something, although with the sensors yes it will be less frequent. The bullbar will help immensely if you hit a roo. I have seen it in action when driving in north west australia and I genuinely believe it stopped the car from being a write off and allowed us to continue our journey to the nearest smash repair shop. I will try dig the photos out and post on here. I have heard and read about how the bull bar over time can cause issues with the chassis due to weight. Im sure you could find other forums going into more detail on the issue. The bull bar looks cooler Worth mentioning that the bull bar is made of aluminium and the nudge bar is stainless steel
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Originally posted by Snouto View PostHas anyone got experience with the nudge bars? I don't like the look of the full size bars and i'm worried about the weight, but would like some form of protection to my bumper in case I hit someone crossing the road or maybe a roo. Are these bars any actual useful for protecting the front-end or are they for show only? I notice the nudge bar on the 2018 looks different to that of the previous model. Whereas before there were two black seats that the bar secured in to, now it looks like it goes under the bumper almost as a deflection plate. Would that offer any additional protection when doing offroad? How sturdy and useful are these things? P.s. I'll be getting front parking sensors so doubt i'll need a nudge bar for parking only.
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For everyone looking at getting the Toyota leather and heated seats - can I suggest (if you have the wherewithal/ time etc) to look at after-market mobs that do the same 7 seats (and consol, and doors) in far, far, far better quality leather and with heated seats for the same price. The leather is absolutely miles apart. They also do the OEM leather - but at a cheaper price than what Toyota are asking. The other bonus is you can choose from heaps of different colours.
I've done it to mine and I'll never go back to OEM leather. It's much thicker and more durable. I don't know if I can mention businesses, but I had mine done at Doyles in Wollongong a year or so ago. They're not everywhere - and I have absolutely NO affiliation with them - but a local search will bring up plenty of others. Just worth considering - particularly if you want it to be done later (say, when you can afford the $3000 if you can't when you sell it).
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Originally posted by Desirable4Driving (D4D) View PostIt's pretty tough to stump up 70 odd k in 2017 for a vehicle with no reverse camera, rear air vents or steering wheel controls or trip computer. Or exposed barn door hinges that were in fashion in 1965! Don't let Toyota australia treat us like muppets with a gx 200. I reckon if you can't afford a 200 gxl then stick with the Prado. Keep in mind a safe dyno tune will get you close or same to standard vdj200 power without the extra weight.
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Originally posted by Snouto View PostHas anyone got experience with the nudge bars? I don't like the look of the full size bars and i'm worried about the weight, but would like some form of protection to my bumper in case I hit someone crossing the road or maybe a roo. Are these bars any actual useful for protecting the front-end or are they for show only? I notice the nudge bar on the 2018 looks different to that of the previous model. Whereas before there were two black seats that the bar secured in to, now it looks like it goes under the bumper almost as a deflection plate. Would that offer any additional protection when doing offroad? How sturdy and useful are these things? P.s. I'll be getting front parking sensors so doubt i'll need a nudge bar for parking only.
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Thanks for the feedback, I'd never consider a motor trimmer for the leather option, would definitely pay to price the option, agreed on OEM leather wouldn't be the same quality as a quality after market trimmer, but would be hard to give the ok, to pull apart the new interior to redo, I just love the heated / cooled seat options, and standard intergrated controls. When I've finished paddling ocean ski, at 630 on a winters morning the heated leather seats are worthwhile luxury to me !!
As a standard 2.8GD prado, makes 450 Nm and 130 kW in auto, with pdf system, extracting 200 series power is a little unrealistic ? (650 Nm and 200 kW). On a $70 k vehicle with 3 yrs warranty, who's going to jeopardise the motor/warranty tunning an engine way past its manufacturing design parameters, chasing V8 twin turbo power levels.
I understand modern diesel are a compromise, with tuning for emissions, fuel efficiency and power, but a tune can only do so much, adjusting fuel pressure, boost, and making it flow more air, etc, very hard to do with a PDF system.
A 10% might be achievable, but always risks the manufactures warranty if something goes wrong, and if it was easy would Toyota have offered more.
I think for me for a family wagon, surf rig and remote touring either the gxl prado would suit, but so would the gx 200 !!!, for a premium above the premium Toyota want for the Prado.
Maybe the economics of the 10 % ish saving on purchase price, smaller dimensions for day to day commuting, better fuel range, better fuel usage all lends the win to the Prado, but a test drive of the gx 200 could make it an decision of the pants for more power !!!!!.
In keeping with the thread, I'm sure this new updated 2018 Prado will deliver Toyota increased sales in a very competitive market, as it offers a great platform for family off roading and touring, for those of us that do not get the dual cab hype, and prefer a wagon.
A decision for the new year, and a first world problem if there's ever been one !!!
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Nothing comes for free. If you increase the power and and more importantly the torque that dramatically you will be getting well inside and possibly beyond the design safety margins for the engine and drive train.
The power of 200kw is within the range of what that gearbox and drive train can handle, although the engine would not be designed for that level of output. The engine, gearbox and drive train would not be designed for 650NM of torque. Even the GX470 (American Prado) with a V8 only makes around 200kw and 440NM.[B]Steve[/B]
2010 Silver GXL Prado 150, D4D Auto, with a few non standard bits
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A 200 series makes poor power levels for what it is. But they are enough for our needs hence why toyota derate everything for long lifespans.The Europeans pull 300kw out of 8cyl tt Diesel engines. Jusy autos safely dyno tune the 1vd to excess of 800nm. A 2.8 engineered in 2015 is very capable of close to 200 levels of power
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Dyno charts please.My 150 build - http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread.php?27423-A-Random-approach-to-a-Bluestorm-150-GXL-D4D-automatic
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Originally posted by Desirable4Driving (D4D) View PostA 200 series makes poor power levels for what it is. But they are enough for our needs hence why toyota derate everything for long lifespans.The Europeans pull 300kw out of 8cyl tt Diesel engines. Jusy autos safely dyno tune the 1vd to excess of 800nm. A 2.8 engineered in 2015 is very capable of close to 200 levels of power
Highly tuned engines are great and I would love more grunt in my Prado. However, it's not so simple to get high specific power outputs (kw/litre) without adding stress to all parts of the engine and when you can't guarantee fuel quality. With that power comes complexity and lots of heat.
There is a difference between a high performance diesel designed to cruise autobahns, and one that gets used as a tractor in really harsh conditions. My mates super duper Range Rover with those sorts of specs regularly breaks.
Apart from why do you need 800Nm, not sure how it would go towing in crappy conditions on a 40C plus day. I'm not sure that you will find many high performance engines in truly remote and harsh places such as parts of Africa, Australia etc. Unless perhaps you can bring your own spares and workshop like in the Dakar rallyLast edited by krypto; 24-11-2017, 03:05 PM.[B]Steve[/B]
2010 Silver GXL Prado 150, D4D Auto, with a few non standard bits
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