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  • The QLD police blitz on 4x4s and caravan towing. .

    Well the blitz is on ive heard of any 4x4 with and mods to be given a ticket of unroadworthiness. some say including mods with tickets.

    This started obviously with the overloading of the towing caravans , and all the suspension mods to compensate.

    the new laws say effective immediately and a vehicle that is towing more than the'' factory only weight'' is illegal ...

    The blitz is on as ive said but its not just about caravans , its about anything and everything , many also have said get your 4x4 off the road for a mounth to save yourself a defective ticket even if its not , (my opinion there as some have commented this to me.)

    so it would be wise to lay low if you have mods ..... These types of things have always been enforced more in N.S.W but here in banana land its always been a quite a bit more lenient ... I guess times are changin'



  • #2
    I think it is great to get unroadworthy vehicles off the road. It would be great if they did this in VIC too. That way people with roadworthy tyres/lifts would be able to drive more trails instead of having to deal with trails ripped to shreds by the '5 inch lift & 35 inch tyre' brigade.
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    • #3
      Its an interesting point of view d40 and to a point i agree. but there are many that have and have spent big to have a professional job done and those that have modded there buggy to stabilise a caravan or to simply have more gear on there buggy. like bull bar/ winch ect. with the new laws this excess weight will come off the overall limit leaving a lot of people with a load they can no longer carry or tow..they will be forced to sell the caravan and buy much smaller or sell the vehicle and buy buy something much bigger.. There are people with brains that know not to go too far ,and keep it strong and safe .

      But once again thanks to the few that went radical and so over the top we all now must pay the price.....

      I am not one of those that will be effected but i do sympathise with those that are . I think a 6 mounth warning could have been announced and then put into action , giving time for many to modify to the new restrictions.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by D4D View Post
        I think it is great to get unroadworthy vehicles off the road. It would be great if they did this in VIC too. That way people with roadworthy tyres/lifts would be able to drive more trails instead of having to deal with trails ripped to shreds by the '5 inch lift & 35 inch tyre' brigade.
        For any vehicle fitted with ESC (electronic stability control) which is nearly everything in the last 10 years the maximum lift is 2 inchs and you're not premitted to change tyre size- That means most of us on here who are driving cars with a 2 inch lift and 265/70 tyres are now driving cars that can be issued with defect notices. These rules are bullshit- I'm all for having reasonable laws that prevent you from having monster trucks, but this is just an excuse for them to raise some money.

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        • #5
          Atherton that isnt correct. There is a thread on here about what is legal state to state. In Q we can have 75mm total lift. 50mm suspension and 50mm tyre diameter increase. The blitz from what I have been told is only jumping on illegal mods. I could be wrong.
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          • #6
            This is what some of it is all about


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            • #7
              This is from https://www.procheckautomotive.com.a...ces/modplates/

              Modification Plate Services (ModPlates)


              Have you modified your vehicle? If so, you may need to obtain what is known as a Modification Plate.

              Many minor or basic modifications can be carried out without obtaining written approval.

              Complex modifications such as engine upgrades, gearbox and rear axle changes, vehicle body modifications and steering and brake replacements are significant modifications to a vehicle and can seriously affect the safety of a vehicle if not performed properly.

              Complex modifications to light vehicles must be certified by approved persons, providing the modifications have been performed in accordance with an approved code of practice.

              The approved codes of practice are based on accepted vehicle engineering practices and the requirements of the Australian Design Rules for Motor Vehicle Safety. It is intended to supplement the recommendations of the original vehicle manufacturer in relation to vehicle modification techniques or standards. It is important to note that the Australian Design Rules and the original manufacturer’s modification guidelines take precedence over the codes of practice.

              Modifications We Can Approve

              Modifications We Can Approve are the following highlighted Light Vehicle Modifications;
              • L A 1 – ENGINE SUBSTITUTION
              • L A 2 – PERFORMANCE ENGINE INSTALLATION
              • L A 3 – TURBOCHARGER / SUPERCHARGER INSTALLATION
              • L A 4 – ENGINE MODIFICATIONS
              • L B 1 – TRANSMISSION SUBSTITUTION
              • L B 2 – REAR AXLE SUBSTITUTION
              • L G 2 – BRAKE SYSTEM CONVERSION – MODIFICATION
              • L H 2 – Roof Conversion
              • L H 4 – Modified Wheelbase Conversion
              • L H 6 – VEHICLE CONSTRUCTION
              • L H 7 – Body Chassis Variants Conversion
              • L H 11 – Campervan & Motorhome Conversion
              • L K 1 – SEATING & SEAT BELT INSTALLATION
              • L K 6 – CHILD RESTRAINT ANCHORAGE INSTALLATION
              • L K 8 – ROLL BAR & ROLL CAGE INSTALLATION
              • L K 10 – Aftermarket Roll Cage & Roll Over Protection Systems
              • L M 1 – FUEL TANK ALTERATION
              • L S 10 – HIGH LIFT 50MM TO 125MM (Modification)
              • L S 4 – Front suspension and Steering (modification)
              • L S 6 – Rear suspension and Steering (modification)

              A lot of people are lifting their vehicles and don’t know the legalities.

              Here’s a simple way to work it out
              • #1 – 2” susp lift allowed
              • #2 – 1” tyre diameter increase allowed
              • #3 – 2” body lift allowed

              If you do #1 and #2 together (or alone) that is acceptable and no mod plate is required.

              If you do #3 alone that is acceptable and no mod plate is required.

              If you combine #1 & #2 & #3 – then an LS9/10 modifcation code is required. This requires a lane change test, design drawings and so on. This will get expensive and your car will possibly fail the lane change test.

              You cannot exceed the lifts listed above in #1, #2 and #3. No engineers in Queensland can approve a suspension lift over 2″ (50mm) spring lift.

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              • #8
                Most have stuck to what is listed above but .................................................. .. this may all be illegal now .

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                • #9

                  Go to the regulator to get the facts.
                  The fine will still be smaller than insurance denying your claim because your vehicle is illeagaly modified. As Tonz post, you can have suspension and tyre/wheel lift.

                  None of the regulations have changed. This is purely media and social media hype.

                  https://infrastructure.gov.au/vehicl.../vsb_ncop.aspx

                  4.2.4 Overall Nominal Diameter
                  The overall diameter of any tyre fitted to a passenger car or passenger car derivative must not
                  be more than 15mm larger or 26mm smaller than that of any tyre designated by the vehicle
                  manufacturer for that model.
                  The overall diameter of any tyre fitted to:
                   4WD passenger vehicles specifically designed for off-road use (typically MC ADR
                  category). All wheel drive (AWD) vehicles including those AWD vehicles that may be
                  certified as MC ADR category, (also commonly known as soft roaders) are not
                  included in this category;
                   4WD goods vehicles and their 2WD equivalents if the chassis and running gear are
                  essentially the same as the 4WD version (N ADR category); or
                   any medium weight goods vehicle (NA2, NB ADR category).
                  Must not be more than 50mm larger or 26mm smaller than that of any tyre designated by the
                  vehicle manufacturer for that vehicle.

                  4.11 LOWERING OR RAISING VEHICLES
                  None of the codes in VSB 14 allow for the raising of any vehicle where the wheel track has also
                  been reduced. These vehicles are subject to individual approval on a case-by-case basis.
                  Raising the height of the vehicle may be performed without certification providing the overall
                  increase in vehicle height is not more than 50mm. This may be achieved as a single
                  modification such as the installation of a 50mm lift kit, or by a combination of smaller lifts as
                  described below:

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                  • #10
                    hmhmhm 'whynot', Yeah those duplicates , are as they are till the moderator can delete them ... its so posters like us cant delete other peoples posts . only the mods and admin should have access . its annoying for them but it doesnt help with strange functions lately.......
                    Thanks for your constructive input btw

                    But im not completely sure about it especially about the lift mods . a chassis lift was pointed out in the video as not legal . was it cuz its not legal or was it cuz thats what caused the vehicle to be over its height limit? hmmmmmmmm.

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                    • #11
                      Those utes were lifted more than 50mm, had much bigger tyres and body lifts. They were not legal.
                      My 150 build - http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread.php?27423-A-Random-approach-to-a-Bluestorm-150-GXL-D4D-automatic

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                      • #12
                        Everything I have read states that if you have ESC you cannot raise you vehicle more than 50mm in any combination without it being engineered?

                        This is correct right?

                        I’m located in qld and have been holding off lifting our MY18 Vx as I already have gone to 265/70/17 Tyres and to the best of my knowledge a 2” lift in addition puts me in the illegal category.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by mjrandom View Post
                          Atherton that isnt correct. There is a thread on here about what is legal state to state. In Q we can have u5mm total lift. 50mm syspension and 50mm tyre diameter increase. The blitz from what I have been told is only jumping on illegal mods. I could be wrong.
                          Unfortunately not mate, go and have a look at the TMR website.

                          Basically anything without Electronic stabilty control can go to the 75mm overall without any dramas- although each component of that 75mm lift can only be 50mm maximum (i.e. 2 inch lift is okay, 3 is not).

                          That changes when the vehicle is fitted with Electronic stability aids- A lift of up to 50mm is permissable, but any tyre or body lift is not without a mod plate. I was reading (for what it's worth on facebook) that it's basically impossible to get such a plate as the testing for it is insane. The PDF file on the TMR website is written pretty poorly as it basically mentions this as an afterthough but it's there and thus enforcable.

                          My gut feeling would be stay off the roads for the next week or so until the police go back to actually doing their jobs by stopping real criminals and this whole thing will blow over- my main concern is for the implications on insurance claims down the track. I'm betting that up until now unless the car was a complete monster truck they wouldn't pay too much attention to mods, hopefully this doesn't change. The bottom line is that anyone driving around a late model 4wd (with the exception of the 70 series and some utes) with larger tyres is essentially driving a car that won't pass a roadworthy inspection.

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                          • #14
                            Sorry, you arent reading it correctly. Look at the previous pages.
                            My 150 build - http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread.php?27423-A-Random-approach-to-a-Bluestorm-150-GXL-D4D-automatic

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                            • #15
                              Can't attach a piccy (which is pretty frustrating btw) but I've copied this verbatim from TMR's website:

                              "The following information provides some general guidance about raising a vehicles height

                              Without ESC- A vehicle lift up to and including 75mm combining both suspension lift and tyre diameter increase (maximum suspension lift 50mm, maximum tyre diameter increase 50mm) is acceptable under self-certification. A vehicle lift between 76mm and 125mm inclusive, combining a suspension lift, a tyre diameter increase and a body lift (maximum suspension lift 50mm, maximum tyre diameter increase 50mm, maximum body lift 50mm) requires certification and testing by an Approved Person.

                              With ESC A suspension lift up to and including 50mm is acceptable under self-certification. A vehicle lift over 50 mm or due to a combination of any other lift (tyres, or body blocks) requires certification and testing by an Approved Person."

                              I'm honestly happy to be corrected over this as it'll unpucker my arse a bit but that seems to be pretty clear- There is clearly a distinction being made here between vehicles fitted with ESC. The way I read this is a suspension upgrade is fine- a change in tyre size or the fitting of body blocks is not.

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