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  • Prado Air Locker vs LSD vs Traction Control

    Some interesting comparison videos of 3 Prados...

    Air Locker vs LSD vs Traction Control Part 1
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2wkW05P ... re=related

    Air Locker vs LSD vs Traction Control Part 2
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNFacsKn ... re=related
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  • #2
    Re: Prado Air Locker vs LSD vs Traction Control

    Have seen this on the DVD, it is an interesting comparsion. You would have to say factory traction control is not a bad option.
    [b]Rob[/b]

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    • #3
      Re: Prado Air Locker vs LSD vs Traction Control

      Hi LC120_man

      Thanks for the post wife was impressed

      cheers
      Trev L
      Prado 2003 with a OME 2 inch lift, ARB Delux Bullbar, Warn magnum winch, IPF 9000 spots, Safari snorkel, Daul Batterys, UHF Radio with remote head unit, extra Power outlet, 265 70 17 MTZ's, ARB CKMA12 Compressor, TrackLander Roof rack with two Rear Work lights, rear anderson socket, twin DVD Players, Indash DVD,GPS, running IGO 8 and OziplorerCE, Custom Drawer System

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      • #4
        Re: Prado Air Locker vs LSD vs Traction Control

        Originally posted by Hutch
        Have seen this on the DVD, it is an interesting comparsion. You would have to say factory traction control is not a bad option.
        I think ARB's perspective is, save the money by not buying the factory TC and put it toward their more capable locker solution. Not a bad argument imho. All the same, I agree the factory TC is pretty damn good.

        LFaR.
        [size=1][color=#770000]29Feb12:[/color][color=#777700]12GXLTD Auto, ARB Deluxe Winch bar, WARN 9.5xp Winch, IPF 900XS, Tow, Safari snorkel, Front + Rear Recovery points, ARB OME NC Sports, ATZ-4Rib[/color][color=grey], Silver[/color]. [color=orange][b]MaxTrax[/b][/color], [color=maroon]ScanGuage II[/color], [color=blue]ARB CKMA12[/color], [color=deeppink]UHF: GME TX3440 AE4018K1 UNH047SX[/color], [color=darkgreen]Bushranger Air Jack[/color], [color=green]Staun + ARB Deflators[/color], [color=brown]WindCheetah Roof Rack[/color], [color=green]Foxwing[/color], [color=red]Super Charge MRV70, Redarc BCDC1220[/color], [color=darkblue]ARB 60L fridge[/color], [color=blue]MSA Fridge Dropdown slide[/color], [color=darkyellow]DRIFTA Drawers[/color], [color=gold]TJM Bash Plates[/color], [color=brown]TG150[/color].[/size]

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        • #5
          Re: Prado Air Locker vs LSD vs Traction Control

          Thanks for posting the link LC120_Man

          Following on from LFaR, it would also appear that a rear locker would be better value than a suspension lift. Food for thought given that most people go for a lift as one of the first things to spend money on as it is a "must have" and yet don't consider lockers as they are a "luxury". After watching the video, I will seriously consider a rear locker before a suspension lift - I just have to ask the Minister of Finance and Warfare first......

          Snappa
          '06 RV 1KZ-TE, BFG AT's LT 265/70/17 (2nd set), Hilux washer jets, Bosch Aero Wipers, Nokia Bluetooth car kit, Safari Snorkel, 12v ARB Portable Compressor, Hi-lift jack & winch kit, Unifilter Reusable Airfilter, DP Chip, ProVent 200

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          • #6
            Re: Prado Air Locker vs LSD vs Traction Control

            I've wondered this especially after Robe at Easter. On sand it appears that extra lift wont really help that much in a lot of situations (diff height is the problem) but then I'd only want lockers going up rutted dunes as they can cause more problem on flat sand I believe. I guess it all depends what you use the prado for. Most of my driving will be in the high country so it's a bit hard to say which would be a better start. I guess wheels are still going to lose traction after a lift so maybe the locker is a better option first...but more expensive :?
            Cheers - Phil Taylor

            Prado KZJ120 2006 GX 3.0ltr Manual TJM T13 Bar, Airtec Snorkel, Sand/snow mats, cargo barrier, Cruise, Budget Campertrailer, 8x17" steelies w/ 265/70/R17 Mickey Thompson ATZ 4 ribs, Binatone GPS, Other Stuff...

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            • #7
              Re: Prado Air Locker vs LSD vs Traction Control

              Originally posted by Snappa
              it would also appear that a rear locker would be better value than a suspension lift. Food for thought given that most people go for a lift as one of the first things to spend money on as it is a "must have" and yet don't consider lockers as they are a "luxury".
              That's a good point Snappa. Certainly, it will depend on how you intend on using your vehicle. The differentiator for me is that suspension is working for me *all* the time, every bump, every corner, every step, high speed, low speed; the suspension is doing the work. The lockers will work for you only when you decide to turn them on.

              Though, there is a solution to this conundrum... Lift-AND-lockers.

              LFaR.
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              • #8
                Re: Prado Air Locker vs LSD vs Traction Control

                Guys,

                You are missing one very important variable in all those reviews.
                Driver - 80%, Car - 20% :!:

                You can tackle most of the tracks they showed in Prado with standard LSD and better tyres (and picking the better path over the obstacles)
                Personally, the first 2 mods I would do (and did) are lift and tyres...

                Just my 2 cents

                Cheers,

                Stan
                [color=blue][url=http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread.php?12128-2004-120-GXL-V6-Petrol-Buildup-*Warning-Picture-Heavy!*&highlight=picture+heavy][b]My Prado Buildiup Since 2004[/b][/url][/color]
                [b]2004 120 GXL V6 4sp Auto D694 LTs and MTRs with Kevlar (best of both worlds )[/b]

                [url=http://www.fuelly.com/driver/lc120man/prado][img]http://www.fuelly.com/smallsig-metric/48063.png[/img][/url]

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                • #9
                  Re: Prado Air Locker vs LSD vs Traction Control

                  Originally posted by lc120_man

                  You can tackle most of the tracks they showed in Prado with standard LSD and better tyres (and picking the better path over the obstacles)
                  Personally, the first 2 mods I would do (and did) are lift and tyres...
                  exactly what i was thinking.. when you start looking at tracks that require lockers.. and if its something you want to do for "Fun".. then a prado isnt really the best choice of vehicle.. you would be better off buying a 105/80/patrol..
                  2004 GXL V6 5 speed auto. Cooper STTs, 40mm Lift, Scanguage II, Flyer batterybox, GME3400 UHF, Engel 40L, Safari Snorkel, IPF Xeon Headlight upgrade, Milford Cargo Barrier.
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                  • #10
                    Re: Prado Air Locker vs LSD vs Traction Control

                    The take-home message I got from those videos is that the Lockers allow you to approach with less momentum, minimising potential damage to the vehicle and the track.

                    Ultimately, it's going to come down to the combined abilities of the driver and the vehicle. Having seen those demos and heard about the potential for diff problems on the Prado, Lockers look like a pretty good option for anyone who finds themselves in difficult terrain on a regular basis.

                    Michael
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                    • #11
                      Re: Prado Air Locker vs LSD vs Traction Control

                      Originally posted by photoprado
                      The take-home message I got from those videos is that the Lockers allow you to approach with less momentum, minimising potential damage to the vehicle and the track.

                      Ultimately, it's going to come down to the combined abilities of the driver and the vehicle. Having seen those demos and heard about the potential for diff problems on the Prado, Lockers look like a pretty good option for anyone who finds themselves in difficult terrain on a regular basis.

                      Michael
                      That's how I'd look at it too. Sure a Patrol (shudders at the thought ) might be right for some but even driving up my driveway i do damage with the Mickey T's. Lockers would minimize that (not that i'd use them in that situation of course but would in many situations on tracks). Driver skill is important on the harder tracks, tyres help both on harder tracks and minimizing track damage as do lockers. A lift pretty much minimizes vehicle damage and offers a little more traction through articulation.
                      Cheers - Phil Taylor

                      Prado KZJ120 2006 GX 3.0ltr Manual TJM T13 Bar, Airtec Snorkel, Sand/snow mats, cargo barrier, Cruise, Budget Campertrailer, 8x17" steelies w/ 265/70/R17 Mickey Thompson ATZ 4 ribs, Binatone GPS, Other Stuff...

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                      • #12
                        Re: Prado Air Locker vs LSD vs Traction Control

                        Originally posted by LiveFreeAndRoam
                        Originally posted by Hutch
                        Have seen this on the DVD, it is an interesting comparsion. You would have to say factory traction control is not a bad option.
                        I think ARB's perspective is, save the money by not buying the factory TC and put it toward their more capable locker solution. Not a bad argument imho. All the same, I agree the factory TC is pretty damn good.

                        LFaR.
                        The implication is that all you get for your extra 20K spent on the Grande is ETC compared to only 3K for an ARB diff lock setup. From memory you also get the following on a Grande for your extra 17K: VSC, leather, additional airbags, sat nav, power seats, console cooler, alarm, sunroof, rear aircon ..... I don't want to argue the relative merit or value of any of these options just to point out that you save 17K by going for ARB lockers is just a throw away marketing line in this infomercial for ARB.

                        Ultimately I have to agree that lockers are the way to go for the best traction, I just don't agree with the cost / benefit argument presented.

                        Was it me or did that ARB Prado look like it had non standard suspension as well.

                        Cheers

                        Gaz

                        PS Before anyone asks I do own a Grande. :-)

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                        • #13
                          Re: Prado Air Locker vs LSD vs Traction Control

                          are prado lsd's really that bad??

                          my old gu patrol's lsd was very effective offroad

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                          • #14
                            Re: Prado Air Locker vs LSD vs Traction Control

                            are prado lsd's really that bad??

                            my old gu patrol's lsd was very effective offroad
                            Yes... Toyota LSD are below average.... Nissan's are renowned for being very good.

                            You''ll find yourself using the handbrake a lot to load it up in rough terrain.

                            Mick
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                            • #15
                              Re: Prado Air Locker vs LSD vs Traction Control

                              Originally posted by gwatts21
                              Originally posted by LiveFreeAndRoam
                              Originally posted by Hutch
                              Have seen this on the DVD, it is an interesting comparsion. You would have to say factory traction control is not a bad option.
                              I think ARB's perspective is, save the money by not buying the factory TC and put it toward their more capable locker solution. Not a bad argument imho. All the same, I agree the factory TC is pretty damn good.

                              LFaR.
                              The implication is that all you get for your extra 20K spent on the Grande is ETC compared to only 3K for an ARB diff lock setup. From memory you also get the following on a Grande for your extra 17K: VSC, leather, additional airbags, sat nav, power seats, console cooler, alarm, sunroof, rear aircon ..... I don't want to argue the relative merit or value of any of these options just to point out that you save 17K by going for ARB lockers is just a throw away marketing line in this infomercial for ARB.

                              Ultimately I have to agree that lockers are the way to go for the best traction, I just don't agree with the cost / benefit argument presented.

                              Was it me or did that ARB Prado look like it had non standard suspension as well.

                              Cheers

                              Gaz

                              PS Before anyone asks I do own a Grande. :-)
                              Gaz, that's a totally appropiate and fair appraisal. TC is also offered as an option in the GXL and comes standard in the VX as well as the Grande. So the tradeoff needs to be considered depending on how one chooses to makeup their Prado. In the end, I guess it depends where the balancing beam lands... more fruit or more offroad capabaility (or have the fruit and ditch the TC for a locker).

                              LFaR.
                              PS: Minor correction, rear aircon is also standard on current model GXL. Still doesn't detract from the point you make.
                              [size=1][color=#770000]29Feb12:[/color][color=#777700]12GXLTD Auto, ARB Deluxe Winch bar, WARN 9.5xp Winch, IPF 900XS, Tow, Safari snorkel, Front + Rear Recovery points, ARB OME NC Sports, ATZ-4Rib[/color][color=grey], Silver[/color]. [color=orange][b]MaxTrax[/b][/color], [color=maroon]ScanGuage II[/color], [color=blue]ARB CKMA12[/color], [color=deeppink]UHF: GME TX3440 AE4018K1 UNH047SX[/color], [color=darkgreen]Bushranger Air Jack[/color], [color=green]Staun + ARB Deflators[/color], [color=brown]WindCheetah Roof Rack[/color], [color=green]Foxwing[/color], [color=red]Super Charge MRV70, Redarc BCDC1220[/color], [color=darkblue]ARB 60L fridge[/color], [color=blue]MSA Fridge Dropdown slide[/color], [color=darkyellow]DRIFTA Drawers[/color], [color=gold]TJM Bash Plates[/color], [color=brown]TG150[/color].[/size]

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