P Platers driving 'high powered vehicles'

[timmay5.7 Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close timmay5.7]

Secondly, one officer was charged with reckless driving, and the other 2 issued infringement notices as they were between 30-40 kms over, which doe not consitute seizing a vehicle.

Link
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/west...-1226211673117

Wow, there ya go. An extra 5km/h up my sleeve. :P

Never the less, a vehicle was not confiscated, and I find it unlikely he will end up losing his licence.
If it were say,, a taxi driver that did not own their own vehicle, which is pretty much the same scenario (driving a work car, during work hours) pretty sure if would be a different outcome.

[Bushbasher Out of control poster! Find all posts View Profile Close Bushbasher]

In my youth I had more prangs and speeding fines in my 2 litre 1972 TC Cortina than I could poke a stick at. It was bog standard except for where I removed the chrome hub caps and just left the chrome rim trims in place. Talk to people over 52 (my age) and they will remember burning around in XP Falcons and EH Holdens. Nothing has really changed. Sure the roads have become crowded and you can buy a 300kw six cylinder Falcon with your first pay packet from Rio Tinto or BHP - just ask my 18 year old nephew who just bought himself a 2006 F6 Typhoon. Any car can do double the speed limit (60/120). Limiting the capacity and/or power won't do much to change the statistics. You're risking their lives more by letting them drive $1000 bunkies with no ABS and no airbags. Education and training is the way to go. Make it tougher I say.

[Madkore Avid PP Poster! Find all posts View Profile Close Madkore]

There are definitely some great points people raise. It seems the general consensus is to improve driver education and training, which I agree with. Here in WA, there has been some fairly hefty changes made about 10 years ago, but as has been said, people will always find a way around it.

Only today there was another story about a young bloke, had his licence 3 months, got airborne in his F6 Typhoon (hope it wasn't your nephew Bushbasher) and smashed into three shops. He was also drink driving. Fortunately no one was around and I believe the driver was the only one in the car.

One thing I have found interesting in the comments is the belief that 'less powered' cars go hand in hand with 'less safety features'. I hardly find this as a reasonable 'excuse' (for want of a better word). Is there no such thing as a safe but reasonably powered vehicle?

My issue with inexperienced (young) drivers owning or driving high powered vehicles is less to do with the actual capability of the car and more to do with the mentality that the inexperienced driver has when they are in the car, almost like they have to prove something to those watching them.

I suppose the thing that bothers me most is that all too often it is not the driver who is injured, but either a passenger or, even worse, an innocent bystander.

[dannyboy1 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close dannyboy1]

Wow, there ya go. An extra 5km/h up my sleeve. :P

Never the less, a vehicle was not confiscated, and I find it unlikely he will end up losing his licence.
If it were say,, a taxi driver that did not own their own vehicle, which is pretty much the same scenario (driving a work car, during work hours) pretty sure if would be a different outcome.

FYI, the Police motorcycle was confiscated, then subsequently released under the provisions of the RTA (which are if you can prove hardship that the vehicle needs to be used etc then it can be released, which any person can apply for). Section 79D, 2 shows all the reasons when a seized vehicle can be released, and there is also a section about taxi's etc.

If the Police Officer that was driving/riding pleads guilty/gets found guilty, then it is a compulsory 6 months (minimum). So regardless he will lose his license like any other person.

In the West Australian on Friday 02/12/2012 it showed Jimmy Barnes with a photo of him in the Police vehicle, not a good look for WAPOL, but as the saying goes, you do the crime, you do the time.

[dannyboy1 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close dannyboy1]

I suppose the thing that bothers me most is that all too often it is not the driver who is injured, but either a passenger or, even worse, an innocent bystander.

So true

[Axewell Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Axewell]

its actually 40 over... but anyway.

Actually its 45 kph

Not to labour the point, but I still believe in VIC it is 25 kph. You get suspended for 1 month for doing 25kph over the limit, 6 months for 35kph and 12 months for 45kph or more.

Speeding and drivers licence suspension

Your licence will usually be suspended if you are detected going over the speed limit by 25 km/h or more.
Your vehicle may be immobilised or impounded if you are travelling 45 km/h or more over the speed limit, or at more than 145 km/h.
The police may give you a warning if you are doing less than 10 km/h over the speed limit. See ‘Police action’ in ‘Possible outcomes for traffic offences’ (link below).
All excessive speed offences attract demerit points. See ‘Demerit points’ (link below).

If your licence is suspended, the minimum suspension period depends on how much over the speed limit you were driving:

• 25 to less than 35 km/h over the speed limit – one month
• 35 to less than 45 km/h over the speed limit – six months
• 45 km/h or more over the speed limit – 12 months
• any speed of 130 km/h or more that is not covered above – one month.

http://www.legalaid.vic.gov.au/speeding.htm

[D4D Addicted PP Member Find all posts View Profile Close D4D]

Different rules for different states, I know this as I was done 20 years ago at 135 in NSW and kept my license as it was 140 you lost it.

[Bushbasher Out of control poster! Find all posts View Profile Close Bushbasher]

Anyway why all the focus on SPEED? 30 yrs ago when cars had no airbags, skinny tyres with drum brakes and only some had seatbelts the limit was 110. So why hasn't the limit changed to reflect all the advances in technology?

[Derb Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Derb]

Hi Fellas. To have my 'P" plate kids driving my Manual/diesel prado nearly doubles my premiums and adds a huge surcharge onto any claim. The same does not apply to the kids driving mums 1600cc shopping cart which will blow the prado into the weeds - go figure. cheers. Derb.

[Bushbasher Out of control poster! Find all posts View Profile Close Bushbasher]

You know the media has a lot to answer for. Many years ago you would not have seen Emerson Fittipaldi or Sir Jack Brabham chucking a series of donuts following a successful race win. I don't recall Peter Brock or Dick Johnson doing salutory burnouts following their wins at Bathurst. Now it seems common place for winners to do burnouts, 360s and, for the two-wheeled racers, monos following race victory. I never tried to peel the tyres in my Cortina. Sure, in the quest for speed and power, the 2 litre four pot gave way for a 6 cylinder 4.1 litre which then got replaced by a stonking 289 V8. A couple of days ago we saw 3 and four years olds riding pee wee motorcycles around a dirt track. They relsihed in their desire to go as fast as they could. Will these kids be tomorrows hoons? Maybe we are to blame (the older generations) for what we have produced.

[prh Member Find all posts View Profile Close prh]

Rather than limit "power", wouldn't it make better sense to limit power to weight ratio? And I wonder if there should be some sort of crack-down on performance modifications. It's all to easy to increase turbo boost and tweak the "black box" and presto 50% more power. Let's be honest: most of these mods are done for ego rather than real need.

I think a better solution would be to raise the driving age. Male brains in particular do not reach neurological maturity until early to mid 20's. After that, the mindless risk-taking seems to settle. Never happen, of course, and governments can be quite picky about the science that they listen to.

[Madkore Avid PP Poster! Find all posts View Profile Close Madkore]

Whilst you have a point about the driving age, for many parents it would just mean they have to run their kids around for that much longer...

[tassie tiger Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close tassie tiger]

I reckon mandatory bull bars on all cars.

And six inch lifts.

Far far safer!

[alternative Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close alternative]

With 3 kids of my own i certainly agree with limiting the cars and power of any driver for the first 3 years at least......

Though i was super happy when a 20yr old (just out of P's) turned up and bought my highly modified WRX 5-6 years ago AT THE ASKING PRICE, no haggling, just drooling. I suppose im a bit hypocritical... how would i feel if by a slim chance he crashed and killed a member of my family in the car i sold him.

[fishfinder Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close fishfinder]

In WA accidents have increased , violence has increased and theft has increased in the last 10 years - if the drugs was taken out of society maybe the stats will decrease its not the dickheads behind the wheel , walking the streets and/or breaking into homes it is what is in these dickheads that cause most of the increase in the above stats maybe concentrate on removing the drugs before thinking about more advanced driver training and restricting the type of vehicles they drive