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    Toyota factory issues in Japan.

    From Aliaba news.

    Toyota shock hits Japan's auto region

    By Yoko Nishikawa

    NAGOYA, Japan, Jan 12 (Reuters) - Toyota shock has hit Japan's car manufacturing district, leaving factories and small businesses reeling as orders dry up due to a global recession that has put the brakes on car sales worldwide.

    Toyota is firing thousands of contract workers, causing a rise in the number of jobless and homeless. The greater Nagoya economy is being hit hard with business slowing at shopping malls and taxi drivers complaining that customers are scarce.

    "When Toyota sneezes, everyone catches a cold," said Toshiharu Nakano, who runs a Japanese kimono fabrics shop in Osu shopping arcade in Nagoya. "You see people walking around in this arcade but their purse strings are tight," he added.

    Hit by the financial crisis and a crippling rise in the yen, Toyota Motor Corp has forecast its first-ever annual operating loss in its 70-year history and has unveiled an 11-day output suspension that is almost unprecedented in scale.

    That's a sharp turnaround from as recently as 2007 when Toyota was riding high after eight years of earnings growth that made it the world's biggest carmaker ahead of General Motors Corp.

    With Toyota's sales in the United States, its biggest market, declining by 37 percent in December, the pain is being felt all along the supply chain in Nagoya and across the Aichi prefecture, which thanks to car manufacturing is one of the most affluent regions in Japan.

    At Takeshiro Kogyo Co., a 20-person factory that produces parts for Toyota car air conditioners and headlights, the fax machine used to spit out piles of orders. These days, faxes are rare.

    "Nowadays, we only get faxes that show a decline in orders," said Sumiko Takeuchi, the company president. She points to virtually empty shelves that were once fully stocked with air conditioner parts.

    "In the past, we were sure that orders would pick up again. But this time, it feels like they'll keep falling further."

    Since around November, Takeuchi has been forced to let several employees go, cut overtime, and close factories early.

    "Right now, we just need to find ways to survive," she said.

    'TOYOTA SHOCK'

    Industrial production in central Japan, including Aichi prefecture, sank 12 percent in October from a year earlier as auto exports fell on weak global demand.

    "In this region, we live on Toyota's business," said Yoshihiko Uchida from Nagoya Chamber of Commerce and Industry.

    "If Toyota is regarded as the top part of Mount Fuji, it has a wide plain of supporting industries. Now, given uncertainty over future orders (from Toyota), small assembling firms and car parts factories are all worried," he added.

    Job offers in Aichi prefecture are on the decline, and department store sales in Nagoya fell 15 percent in November from a year earlier. It was the sharpest drop among 10 major cities in Japan.

    Tax revenues are also declining sharply in the automaker's hometown as well as Aichi prefecture, whose economy accounts for about 7 percent of Japan's overall gross domestic product.

    As the world's second-largest economy is threatened by what some fear will be its longest ever recession, many manufacturers, including Toyota, are laying off contract workers, temps and part-timers to cut costs.

    Many of those contracts came with accommodation in company dormitories so the lost jobs are swelling the ranks of the homeless.

    The problem has taken centre stage in the political sphere as local media outlets zero-in on the plight of the jobless, and lawmakers facing an election later this year struggle to find solutions.

    About 85,000 contract workers are being laid off across the country in the six months ending in March, of whom more than 10,000 are estimated to lose jobs in Aichi -- the biggest cut among Japan's 47 prefectures, a government survey showed.

    "People say there are still job opportunities in engineering or nursing care, but those who have been making cars cannot just move to those areas and do the job," said Toru Sakai, chairman of a temp union in Nagoya.

    Temporary shelters for the homeless have been quickly filled with newcomers, and food kitchens in Nagoya are attracting more homeless people at night.

    On one rainy evening in late December, about 250 people lined up under a highway overpass for a warm plate of curry and a cup of hot tea.

    "I was fired and lost a place to live as well," said Yoshinori Sato, a 42-year-old former construction worker, looking down while finishing his curry. "I am now sleeping in an underground passage."

    Still, people in the region are proud of their history in manufacturing and craftsmanship, and confident of a comeback.

    "We may not be able to completely rely on the auto industry in the future," said Takeshiro Kogyo's Takeuchi. "What we have now is a lot of free time ... So we can think about what we can produce by using machines that are used right now."

  • #2
    Re: Toyota factory issues in Japan.

    It's the dawning of a new age and the only way to resurrect the industry is with development of truly green cars.

    Toyota, GM and Ford knew it was coming due to the fuel crisis, however, they choose a half arsed attempt at producing dual fuel vehicles, GM and Ford then stored them in paddock's before scraping the idea.
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    • #3
      Re: Toyota factory issues in Japan.

      Originally posted by Team Piggy
      Toyota factory issues in Japan.

      From Aliaba news.

      ...
      About 85,000 contract workers are being laid off across the country in the six months ending in March, of whom more than 10,000 are estimated to lose jobs in Aichi -- the biggest cut among Japan's 47 prefectures, a government survey showed.
      ...
      How many of these are Japanese or are most Brazilian 'guest' workers?
      Previous Prado owner

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      • #4
        Re: Toyota factory issues in Japan.

        Originally posted by oldsalt
        It's the dawning of a new age and the only way to resurrect the industry is with development of truly green cars.

        Toyota, GM and Ford knew it was coming due to the fuel crisis, however, they choose a half arsed attempt at producing dual fuel vehicles, GM and Ford then stored them in paddock's before scraping the idea.
        Amen.

        Viable electric car technology has been ours for years. The problem is that it will cut masses of jobs from the auto service industry, and put a heap of people employed in the fuel industry out of work.

        That said, the first Manufacturer to put a good electric car on the market is going to clean up, and the rest will fall over themselves to get something on the market. At about that time (2 years or so from now) Rudd's Auto plan will bear fruit and we'll have the choice of several out of date hybrids from Holden and Ford...

        It's looking like Nissan or Toyota will be first to market at this stage.

        Bring it on. Where do I place my order?.
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        • #5
          Re: Toyota factory issues in Japan.

          viable electric cars for years ??
          Just wondering what batteries these are using, how long they last and at what cost.

          And since they are truly "green" they must be recharged by renewable energy sources, probably solar, and have caused no emissions during manufacture.
          And when these batteries finally cease to function well enough to make the car viable for everyday use do not harm the enviroment in any way.

          I know we need to protect the enviroment through better use of our resources and technology but remember to look at the complete picture when talking "green".

          In my humble opinion too often the only "facts" provided are the feel good ones,
          for example, ZERO emissions from electric cars ... no mention of any emissions produced while generating the electricity to charge the cars batteries, or to build the cars power systems or disposal etc.

          Playing devils advocate here, like the follow on of Toyotas financial loss hurting a lot of people besides Toyota, producing a green car (or anything) is just not about the running emissions, perhaps thats why some of these superb "solutions" haven't become reality.

          Again just my thoughts

          Lee
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          • #6
            Re: Toyota factory issues in Japan.

            Originally posted by Leethal
            viable electric cars for years ??
            Just wondering what batteries these are using, how long they last and at what cost.

            And since they are truly "green" they must be recharged by renewable energy sources, probably solar, and have caused no emissions during manufacture.
            And when these batteries finally cease to function well enough to make the car viable for everyday use do not harm the enviroment in any way.

            I know we need to protect the enviroment through better use of our resources and technology but remember to look at the complete picture when talking "green".

            In my humble opinion too often the only "facts" provided are the feel good ones,
            for example, ZERO emissions from electric cars ... no mention of any emissions produced while generating the electricity to charge the cars batteries, or to build the cars power systems or disposal etc.

            Playing devils advocate here, like the follow on of Toyotas financial loss hurting a lot of people besides Toyota, producing a green car (or anything) is just not about the running emissions, perhaps thats why some of these superb "solutions" haven't become reality.

            Again just my thoughts

            Lee
            Why do you associate green with electric?

            There are other truely green fuels, water is one.

            This is where the development should be, on green fuels then the vehicles will follow.
            October 2003 build GLX Prado Diesel. Nudge Bar, window tinting, fitted sheepskin seatcovers, bonnet protector, cargo barrier, sandgrabba mats and empty pockets.
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            • #7
              Re: Toyota factory issues in Japan.

              There are other truely green fuels, water is one.
              Not quite.... turning water into hydrogen still takes electricity....

              While the majority of Australia's electricity is produced using brown coal there won't be a truly "zero emission" vehicle.

              There is no 100% green solution to the automotive industry.. only ones that shifts the carbon foot print from one source to another which is hopefully much smaller.

              A good example is GM's Volt electric car they planning to sell here (2010 I think?).. just shifts the emission source to one, that can be argued, is much worse.

              At least Rudd just tipped 100 million dollars into the solar industry including the solar reasearch institute in Newcastle... drop in the ocean, but at least things are slowly changing.

              Mick

              Mick
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              • #8
                Re: Toyota factory issues in Japan.

                I just ordered a new Corolla as a daily driver, maybe I should have waited a few months for a better deal...
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                • #9
                  Re: Toyota factory issues in Japan.

                  It's certainly a buyers market at the moment... and may get better yet...


                  Mick
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                  • #10
                    Re: Toyota factory issues in Japan.

                    Originally posted by Leethal
                    viable electric cars for years ??
                    Just wondering what batteries these are using, how long they last and at what cost.
                    Good points Lee.

                    Just to reply to a few of them.

                    The battery technology that can run electric cars that has been available for years is the same as the one in your car now. Lead Acid. There are quite a few electric vehicle hobbyists that have done that successfully. Yes, they are heavy, and they ultimately cause problems with GVM, but people are using them. Newer technology batteries such as AGM and the various lithium types are even better, have also been around for years, and are in use in electric vehicles by commercial operators and hobbyists alike. Yes, even in Aus.

                    Whilst I agree that burning coal to run electric vehicles isn't really where we should be going, we also have to consider that burning fossil fuel directly isn't something we should be thinking of doing any longer than absolutely necessary either. For starters, it's going to run out, and the prices will be through the roof well before then.

                    My opinion is that we should embrace electric cars, especially for urban transport. We should power them with offpeak green power or domestic PV if we have the available capital and suitable area for collection. The more people who buy green power, the more funds become available to fund renewable power generation plants. The more renewable energy plants we invest in, the better the technology, and the more efficient they become, and we start to loosen our reliance on fossil fuel for transport and power.

                    I haven't seen any comparison of the embedded energy in electric cars as compared to petrol. I would hazard a guess that they might be quite similar, perhaps less due to not having to melt a large lump of iron/aluminium to make the engine block.

                    Cars like the Prius and the Volt a a step in the right direction, but we need to be jumping!

                    Happy to talk further, but this thread is about Toyota's issues, not alternative cars in general..

                    Michael
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                    • #11
                      Re: Toyota factory issues in Japan.

                      Us Aussies have done our bit, we have just given Toyota Australia seventy million dollars.

                      And, toyota said they don't know how they would use the cash??

                      http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/st ... 01,00.html
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                      • #12
                        Re: Toyota factory issues in Japan.

                        Happy to talk further, but this thread is about Toyota's issues, not alternative cars in general..
                        Good point, Toyotas woes are due to the world economic downturn .. not due to any enviromental reason.


                        It's the dawning of a new age and the only way to resurrect the industry is with development of truly green cars.
                        I don't think the resurrection of the industry and the development of greener vehicles are as hand in hand as you think.
                        The industry is down (like most) due to the lack of sales.

                        Once the economic down turn is behind us the industry will grow again, sure automotive technology will change for the greener, but jobs lost in the conventional vehicle sector will be taken up in industies manufacturing the new technology right across the board.

                        For example, I've just moved from from the engineering sector, which is in decline, to the renewable energy sector (PV systems) which is(was :roll: ) growing.

                        Even the sales of renewable technology are down due to the economic crisis... we do PV systems(solar), wind turbines, rain water harvesting etc and over the last few months things have slowed down in the market world wide. It's all about consumer confidence and money... if nobody buys there's problems....


                        Mick
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                        Now with 3BAR MAP sensor & 18PSI Boost![/COLOR][/SIZE][/I][/B][/CENTER]

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                        • #13
                          Re: Toyota factory issues in Japan.

                          My thoughts are that the first manufacturer who truly can produce a viable alternative fuel car will be scouring the world for workers, even at a time like this. The current crop of electric cars aren't bad as a first step but at the end of the day, current electricity supplies are still dirty. You either need to clean up electricity generation or look for different forms of energy entirely. People had a taste of what it's going to be like when fuel supplies start to run out. Can you justify a major purchase on a vehicle that's going to be too expensive to run? I can't.

                          Too much wealth is needed to buy a car right now. There's only so much wealth in the world and for someone to have money, 10 others have to be dirt poor. If wealth was evenly distributed we'd each have a coupla bucks each and that'd be about it. Even for us in Australia a car is a purchase that costs us significantly. The only way to get cars selling again is to make them cheaper. Economies have become overbloated with people expecting more and more in their pay packets and as a result, the products their company makes need to be more expensive. As the cost of production pushes the envelope more and more, the rest of the world sails closer and closer to the wind in being able to afford the products made. Then a hiccup occurs and the producer suddenly finds that people can no longer afford their products. Really they need to go ten years back when workers cost less, materials cost less, and people expected less. That won't happen easily though.

                          Lets think about what people want. People want a cheap car that's well made. Inexpensive to run and easy to maintain. Trouble free and that now includes looking after the environment. The further away from those ideals you go the harder it will be to sell the car. Fine when times are good, but in bad times it's the well made cheapies that sell.

                          For me the real answer lies with a completely alternative fuel. Perhaps hydrogen where the by product is water. Just have to figure how to get the hydrogen ready for use in a viable way.
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                          • #14
                            Re: Toyota factory issues in Japan.

                            oldsalt wrote:
                            Why do you associate green with electric?

                            There are other truely green fuels, water is one.

                            This is where the development should be, on green fuels then the vehicles will follow.

                            I don't, I believe electric should/can be greener than internal combustion.
                            I was just trying to point out that we need to look at the complete picture when protecting our enviroment and by the responses we Prado owners seem to be aware of that.

                            Sorry if I hijacked the thread there but we seem to be back on track now as has been pointed out the Toyota issues are a symptom of the economic issues being faced all over the world.

                            In my industry, Marine & Industrial engines, US imports have increased by 25 -30 % in cost, Japanese products are similar, hence fewer purchase them and so on ...
                            As has been stated Toyota is suffering the same issues.

                            We can only hope that when the economy improves again that companies, governments and us voters/consumers try to build/buy cleaner, leaner products.

                            Do I really need all that size, power and luxury .... of a 200 series :roll: ... nah a Prado D4D will be suffice 8)
                            Lee
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                            • #15
                              Re: Toyota factory issues in Japan.

                              What would you say though if the Lancruiser 600 series was bigger, more powerful, and sported the all new Hydrogen Fuel cell technology? Lets say one of those set you back roughly 20,000 earth credits where you earned maybe 60k Earth credits a year. Better build quality and better luxury! What would you say then to "all that luxury?" I'd say the Toyota factory would be going full tilt! To say nothing of the "minature ionic storm engine" the Prado will have when all of us are long gone....... 8)
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