Replacement Front Windscreen

[4xx4 Driver Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close 4xx4 Driver]

Hello 120 series D4D owners.

Did you know that your D4D Prado has a special noise-reducing windscreen? Most auto glass replacement people don't.

The genuineToyota part number for a standard windscreen for a petrol 120 series built around June 2007 is 5611160471, priced at $860.00

The noise cancelling one for the D4D is 5611160650, priced at $950.00.

I just had my windscreen replaced a few days ago. One of my mates, a D4D owner, contacted me. He was getting quotes for a replacement windscreen from the same people I used. They didn't know about the two screens and refused to believe him when he told them. He obtained the part numbers from Toyota and told the glass people. After a long period of silence they called him back and said he was right.

So now you know.

How many D4D Prados have had the wrong replacement windscreens fitted?

I've just had mine replaced. I asked for a genuine Toyota part but was never asked whether it was for a diesel or petrol Prado, or for a VIN which determines the requirement. My insurance company paid $860.00 - the wrong price for the windscreen appropriate for my D4D Prado.

I can feel a fight coming on ...

Frank

[viper Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close viper]

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I just had the screen on my D4D replaced by NRMA Autoglass for $240 and I havent noticed any increase in engine noise levels in the cabin. I can highly recommend NRMA - they did a great job. Is the difference in engine noise level noticable Frank?

[IRON-PAWW Avid PP Poster! Find all posts View Profile Close IRON-PAWW]

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Noise cancelling windscreen? Had no Idea! I'd like to know though, exactly what the difference between noise cancelling and standard windscreens is. Surely they're the same shape so you'd have to say the difference must be in the "glass" material or film they may or may not put over it. Surely D4D windscreens wouldn't be any thicker, as that would require differences on the assembly line. I guess if insurance is paying then why not, but I find myself skeptical of the benefits of such a windscreen. If I had to shell out for one, then I'd need a bit more info on their benefits over standard.

[4xx4 Driver Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close 4xx4 Driver]

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I just rang my insurance company (Toyota!) to find out what part number they provided to the glass people. Much to my surprise and relief it was the right one for the D4D.

Iron-Paww, the difference is in thickness of the glass - the screen for the D4D is thicker. In the light of this info, if I had to shell out my own hard-earned for a replacement I don't know what I'd do. Non-genuine is about half the price (or less - see Viper's post) of genuine, but would it be the right one? I think I'll just keep my glass insurance alive and let them pay for a genuine, correct part. Only allowed one glass claim per year, though!

Viper, I didn't notice any difference in noise inside the car either - maybe because they fitted the correct screen 8)

Cheers

[plucker Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close plucker]

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I replaced my screen with a non genuine one a fair time ago. Never noticed any difference in the noise levels. However did notice that if I look at the screen on an angle, that it appears to be wavy and distorted. My genuine one never did this. That is my only gripe.

[IRON-PAWW Avid PP Poster! Find all posts View Profile Close IRON-PAWW]

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No kidding! The D4D's have thicker windscreens. Well that is really the only thing that makes sense when talking about drowning noise out. Certainly some info to bank away for future mishaps. However, I assume there'd be absolutely no reason why the petrol guys couldn't put one of these in? If they really wanted to. My insurance is the same, one replacement windscreen per year. Hopefully, I won't need to change it out that often. I have had several people comment on how quiet the Prado is compared to their 4WD. One was my Brother who drives a Holden Jackaroo (Isuzu) and also my parents who drive a v8 Cherokee. I suppose it's just one of the tricks Toyota has used to quieten the cab down. But as said, shelling out hard earned for one might be pushing it a bit.

[Bushbasher Out of control poster! Find all posts View Profile Close Bushbasher]

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Thicker glass? You must be kidding.

My 09 D4D has more bullet holes and cracks than a Somali war lord's front door! I swear it's thinner than the glass in my old rig. And I've only had it 8 months!

[joedan Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close joedan]

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Interesting, I asked this question alongside other members when the D4D first came out. I specifically quoted the marketing jibe about the acoustic windscreen glass the D4d has.

See this older post....

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=454

My Nov 06 D4D was one of the first new diesel vehicles out and had my glass replaced shortly after due to a rock incident with a truck. I have had the windscreens replaced again recently and both were around the $250 mark.

I have always thought the cabin was noisier than when we first got the vehicle however I guess I am just used to it now. My insurance policy now covers windscreen replacements so next time I'll make sure it's a proper D4D one.

[hoppy Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close hoppy]

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I used to be a windscreen fitter for, probably the largest aftermarket windscreen company in Oz, many years ago (1987). Now, I know things have come a long way since then but windscreens, Im sure are basically the same. I imagine the only difference would be the way the glass is sealed to the vehicle.

On my last trip some idiot, doing 1 million kph in the opposite direction put a tennis ball size chip in my D4D windscreen. NRMA covered the full cost under the windscreen replacement policy. Total cost was $420 fitted.

I specifically asked toyota to do the job with the genuine part to cover me for the 3 year warranty issue. Guess what, they didnt fit it with the genuine part but assured me it would not affect my 3 year warranty.

I have not noticed any difference in noise etc. If I did I guess I could complain and get them to fit the original part. I cannot believe there would be a specific noise buffering windscreen. Most noise would come through the firewall?

Im happy.

[Bushbasher Out of control poster! Find all posts View Profile Close Bushbasher]

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I've had two replacements on 2 Prados since November. My 09 got a new one from Instant WIndscreens, free under my insurance. I noted the top rubber strip looks a little different from the stock stuff but as it only covers the gap between the glass and the body I'm not worried. The windscreen in my 98 was also replaced under insurance. The fitter reckoned the last time it was replaced it had been a dodgy job. Well, it stayed in place for 2 years and never leaked so it can't have been too bad.

[John Member Find all posts View Profile Close John]

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Hoppy, you probably remember that front screens are usually 6.76mm thick (2x 3mm glasses, and a 0.76mm interlayer). :lol: I agree that there's not much they could do to make the glass "noise cancelling" apart from making it a whisker thicker, (perhaps a 1mm interlayer) which might explain a slightly different infill strip. Or possibly a slightly different mounting technique to a bog standard glass.

It's funny that many manufacturers (including Toyota) use Aussie manufacturers to produce their OEM glass. It's not unusual to see several different manufacturers represented on the one vehicle.... I worked for Australian Autoglass for a few years, and their parent Pilkington ACI was an OEM supplier for GM, Ford, Mitsubishi/Chrysler, VW and several others.

I'd suggest it would be highly unlikely that any aftermarket windscreen company would use a genuine glass sourced from the dealer, even when fitting it on the dealer's premises. Most new car service departments contract out the work as it's now quite specialised, and they would make better margins on aftermarket glass. (Remember that the aftermarket glass might come from the exact manufacturer, plant and even batch, as the OEM glass).

Plucker, car glass are subject to pretty stringent standards for visibility and distortion. Could possibly be a manufacturing defect, rather than inferior quality?

[Snowy FNQ Member Find all posts View Profile Close Snowy FNQ]

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I'm on my third windscreen now, the first lasted about 6 months, there has been no noticable noise increase with the different screen for me. I paid $260 and $240 from the local Instant Windscreens in Cairns. I did know about the noise reducing windscreens from magazine blurbs (4x4 Action Prado vs Pajero article). Just more micro managing of things I reckon. :roll:
Or I could be going deaf........................

[D4D-GXL Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close D4D-GXL]

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I've been inducted into the cracked windscreen brigade also by a stray rock and vibrations caused by poorly maintained dirt roads.

I contacted my insurer today and the good news is that they confirmed that I am covered for a new windshield with no access.
I informed that that I have heard my Prado (D4D) has a thicker glass compared to the Petrol Prado and the screen may have to be ordered from Toyota.

Their database systems did not show any difference between Diesel and Petrol windscreens, but they did say that if they needed to use the Toyota windscreen, then they will order it.

So tomorrow, I will ring Toyota myself for some specs and contact Windscreens Obrien who have the job to fit the windscreen on the weekend.
I will post any details as they come to hand for future reference by other PP members.

[NZKIWIS Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close NZKIWIS]

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A Word to the wise....
Had my windscreen cracked by a passing truck in the early hours two weeks ago .Called my insurance company to advise them of the claim .They sent me to a glass company which starts with a O and the second letter is a B . When booking the Prado in I advised them that only original rubber trims are to be used and not aftermarket ones. This was agreed to as my insurance has this on my policy the Prado was dropped off in the morning and picked up in the afternoon. When picking up the my Prado I found that they had installed a thick rubber trim across the top of the windscreen and was not the orignal trim. The bloke who handed my keys back to me advised me that it was better than the original I begged to differ and asked him for the paper work showing me where I had signed to authorised modifications to my vehicle.
With that said an done he said it would have to be re-booked to have the glass removed again to fit the orignal rubbers. I advised my insurance company I was not happy with the repair and it has to be re-booked in to make it right. I left it for one week so everyone could cool down as discussion at the time got heated to say the least. Got the Prado back last Friday with the original rubber trim across the top of the windscreen but now with damage to the paint across the top of the windscreen and the had been brushed painted with white paint in a attempt to hide the damage they had done . The manager of the joint full of hot air we will make it right and said he will call in to my home address on his way home to sort it out ...never turned up.
Now having to advise my insurance company that the repairer that they sent me to has caused additional damage to the vechicle and attempted to cover it up by putting a wide black trim accross the top of the windscreen .( which I found they do all the time as the tool they use in the wrong hands can cause a fair ammount of damage to the paint work around the windsreen) Long story short...Prado goes in for complete roof paint job to repair the damage they did to the tune of $1275 .But if had been left unchecked the panelbeater advised me that it wouldn't have been long before rust would set in.....And the people who do the repairs to the windscreens have the cheak to call themselfs professionals.....always ask for the orignal trims to be put back in even if they have to order them in that way they can't hide their handy work.

[John Member Find all posts View Profile Close John]

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I've been inducted into the cracked windscreen brigade also by a stray rock and vibrations caused by poorly maintained dirt roads.

I contacted my insurer today and the good news is that they confirmed that I am covered for a new windshield with no access.
I informed that that I have heard my Prado (D4D) has a thicker glass compared to the Petrol Prado and the screen may have to be ordered from Toyota.

Their database systems did not show any difference between Diesel and Petrol windscreens, but they did say that if they needed to use the Toyota windscreen, then they will order it.

So tomorrow, I will ring Toyota myself for some specs and contact Windscreens Obrien who have the job to fit the windscreen on the weekend.
I will post any details as they come to hand for future reference by other PP members.

Just did a search on a parts website. As I suspected, all front windscreens are the same on the 120, with the exception that on the 05 and earlier you could get a tinted band across the top. To offer different glass thicknesses would require production tooling with exorbitant costs for little benefit. You would need a different channel depth in the bodywork, which means a different body for petrol vs diesel.

What surprised me is the glass is only 5.3mm thick nowadays.

So I think we can lay to rest the furphy of "sound reducing windscreens" :lol:

NZKIWIS, it sounds as if they used the old piano wire trick to cut your glass out, and ran it across your paintwork. That's inexcusable, and to try and dodgy it up is even worse. I don't know whether the aftermarket industry would make the plastic trims as yet. Genuine would likely be less than a hundred bux for both. I'd look carefully at the inside of your car as well to see if they've marked your trims, particularly the pillars.

Good luck!