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  • D-4D Dual Battery Install - Completed

    I've been planning this dual battery install for quite a while and finally got started. For the last month I've been researching various dual battery installation resources; pradopoint member installations, various resources on the internet and consultation with various local and interstate auto electricians/engineers. I will list these resources once the install is complete.

    At the end of my research I then chose the components I thought were best for the install and proceeded with purchasing each item, the main items include:

    Redarc Smart Solenoid
    There are many smart solenoids out there on the market, I chose the updated Redarc model (SBI2) that dealt with the charging/ECU voltage issue experienced with the V8 100 Series Land Cruiser and other newer model (2003+) Prado's; issues relating to the Prado are documented in various threads in this forum.

    Piranha Battery Tray
    A heavy battery requires a good base and with some reports of damaged wheel arches I wasn't going to compromise on this. I chose the Piranha because it was a solid construction with ample mounting points.

    Wiring
    Choice of wire is an extremely important topic when it comes to dual battery systems and running appliances within the vehicle. Without going into too much detail I selected 6 B&S (13.mm2) wire for the charging circuit (connection between aux and cranking battery) and a twin core solar grade wire rated at 60Amps for the accessories circuit. I chose a twin core wire so that I could run the negative back to battery (in the hope of minimising voltage loss). I have selected to fuse the accessories circuit at the aux battery with a 20Amp fuse as this is the carrying capacity of the hella/merit style socket.

    In order to understand the circuitry with the install I drew up a simple schematic to outline which gave me a brief plan of how I was going to wire up the charging and socket circuits:



    Installation of battery tray:

    For the installation of the battery tray I followed MUMSRIG's "Step by Step TD 120 Dual Battery Instal with pics. Finished" thread:
    http://www.pradopoint.com/viewtopic.php?t=1335

    Only deviation to this was that I installed the bracket (mounted to the inside of the wheel arch) against the plastic mould rather than underneath it. This required longer M6 bolts (20mm) with appropriate washers that I purchased from Supercheap. I found that mounting the bracket to inside of the plastic mould created a bit of a gap that could be prone to build up of dust and mud which may be fairly difficult to get out.





    Once installed I found that this tray is an extreme improvement on the standard tray used for the cranking battery. One could say that it is over engineered!



    The installation of the Redarc smart solenoid is another story in itself. I found that most dual battery installations documented by pradopoint members were for petrol or the old (pre D4D) diesel engines. The difference between the D4D and these engines are that there is a larger air filter and other additional components (yet to be identified) located next to the fuel filter.

    Working with these constraints and trying to avoid drilling extra holes I tried multiple mounting points. Installing it next to the aux battery was out of the question due to lack of space (primarily occupied by the air filter). Installation close to the fuel filter was also avoided as the terminal mounting points on the solenoid were too close to the fuel filter. I ended up deciding to install it onto two threaded bolts sticking out of the firewall located near the fuel filter.

    This required drilling two 8mm holes on the mounting bracket of the solenoid and installing it using M6 loctite nuts with washers before and after the bracket. Once installed the solenoid seemed extremely stable and didn't budge one bit if I tried to move it.







    Thats the install so far, next steps are:
    * install battery and wiring necessary for charging circuit,
    * install wiring necessary for accessories circuit
    2014 Toyota Prado 150 D4D Auto (facelift); ARB Deluxe Bullbar; OME 2" Lift; Rhino Pioneer Platform Rack; Redarc BCDC 1225 with Optima Yellow Top; BF Goodrich Mud Terrain KM2; Lightforce Genuine Custom 70w HID; GME UHF; Safari Snorkel; Rigid Industry SR-Q2 side lights (yet to be installed); Domin8or winch (yet to be installed)

  • #2
    Hi Fungi 2003,
    Sounds like a well sussed out setup, there are some great ideas on the twin battery installs around love to see the end result as I am still tossing around the same ideas and I am also a bit anal about detail as a lot of our members on PP are, which is not a bad thing.
    07 Upgrade GXL D4D, Manual, Dune,Sov Bar, BFG's, SG11, Redark dual Batts, Extensive Aux wiring, Stebel, LED stop tails, IPF HID's (my mod), 240V Inv, ARB Comp, GME UHF,TPMS, Safari snorkel, GPS,Hilux washers, 40l Engel in 30% pas pos,homemade A/C cond protection plate, polyairs.

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    • #3
      Well done Fungi, It's better to have the redarc as close as possible to the main battery anyway as it will get a more accurate indication when monitoring the voltage.

      I look forward to seeing the end result! 8)
      2008 GXL M6 D4D, Silver
      Build Up---> [url]http://www.pradopoint.com/viewtopic.php?t=2315[/url]

      [b]{[/b]ATS Ridepro/Bilstein Lift[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]Dual Batteries with RanOx Battery Booster[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]600w Projecta 240v Inverter[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]Dunlop AT3's / MT MTZ's on Speedy Grande Rims[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]ARB Deluxe Winch Bar[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]IPF900XS Spotties - Converted to 50w 4300k HID[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]35w H4-3 4300k HID Hi-Lo Conversion[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]ARB Underbonnet Compressor[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]GME TX3440[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]T-Max 10,000lb winch[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]Safari Snorkel[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]Milford Cargo Barrier[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]Rhino HD Roofies & AT1410 Roof Tray[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]60L Waeco[b]}[/b]
      [img]http://www.gifs.net/Animation11/Transportation/Cars/4_wheel_drive.gif[/img]

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      • #4
        A great post. Thank you.

        I've just ordered my Piranha tray today. And am still looking for suitable battery. What size/brand battery do you intend to use?
        2006 D4D VX, Diesel, 5-speed Auto, Charcoal, dark window tint, Toyota hitch receiver, custom home-built drawers, Piranha Fridge slide, Waeco 50L fridge, Dual Battery, Polaris GPS and Reversing camera

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Treane
          A great post. Thank you.

          I've just ordered my Piranha tray today. And am still looking for suitable battery. What size/brand battery do you intend to use?
          I'm looking at installing a 115AmpH Trojan deep cycle battery, the reason being is that these are the cream of the crop performance wise and very long lasting. Only thing with this battery is that it needs to be maintained: water levels need to be checked and topped up when necessary. It retails for $330.

          If your looking at something you don't need to maintain then a sealed/semi sealed deep cycle Supercharge, ATM, Excide will be fine. A lot of these have an indicator showing the health of the battery (similar to the one one the stock Prado battery).
          2014 Toyota Prado 150 D4D Auto (facelift); ARB Deluxe Bullbar; OME 2" Lift; Rhino Pioneer Platform Rack; Redarc BCDC 1225 with Optima Yellow Top; BF Goodrich Mud Terrain KM2; Lightforce Genuine Custom 70w HID; GME UHF; Safari Snorkel; Rigid Industry SR-Q2 side lights (yet to be installed); Domin8or winch (yet to be installed)

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Crammy
            Well done Fungi, It's better to have the redarc as close as possible to the main battery anyway as it will get a more accurate indication when monitoring the voltage.

            I look forward to seeing the end result! 8)
            I was kind of hesitant to place it where it is as the base isn't 100% flat. Once it was installed it is a very tight fit and doesn't feel lose at all.
            2014 Toyota Prado 150 D4D Auto (facelift); ARB Deluxe Bullbar; OME 2" Lift; Rhino Pioneer Platform Rack; Redarc BCDC 1225 with Optima Yellow Top; BF Goodrich Mud Terrain KM2; Lightforce Genuine Custom 70w HID; GME UHF; Safari Snorkel; Rigid Industry SR-Q2 side lights (yet to be installed); Domin8or winch (yet to be installed)

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            • #7
              You can always make a plate and attach it to the gaurd. There's 2 riv 8mm (from memory) that you can attach to.

              Have a look here a few pics down---> http://www.pradopoint.com/viewtopic....r=asc&start=30

              You should be able to get the trojan cheaper than that, ask for trade and you should get a better price.
              2008 GXL M6 D4D, Silver
              Build Up---> [url]http://www.pradopoint.com/viewtopic.php?t=2315[/url]

              [b]{[/b]ATS Ridepro/Bilstein Lift[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]Dual Batteries with RanOx Battery Booster[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]600w Projecta 240v Inverter[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]Dunlop AT3's / MT MTZ's on Speedy Grande Rims[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]ARB Deluxe Winch Bar[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]IPF900XS Spotties - Converted to 50w 4300k HID[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]35w H4-3 4300k HID Hi-Lo Conversion[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]ARB Underbonnet Compressor[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]GME TX3440[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]T-Max 10,000lb winch[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]Safari Snorkel[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]Milford Cargo Barrier[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]Rhino HD Roofies & AT1410 Roof Tray[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]60L Waeco[b]}[/b]
              [img]http://www.gifs.net/Animation11/Transportation/Cars/4_wheel_drive.gif[/img]

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Crammy
                You can always make a plate and attach it to the gaurd. There's 2 riv 8mm (from memory) that you can attach to.
                I was thinking of doing that but didn't have the tools or metal sheet to fabricate something.

                Originally posted by Crammy
                Have a look here a few pics down---> http://www.pradopoint.com/viewtopic....r=asc&start=30

                You should be able to get the trojan cheaper than that, ask for trade and you should get a better price.
                So your the person who bought the Trojan! I was having trouble finding the link to your post. If you don't mind asking, how much did you pay for your battery?
                2014 Toyota Prado 150 D4D Auto (facelift); ARB Deluxe Bullbar; OME 2" Lift; Rhino Pioneer Platform Rack; Redarc BCDC 1225 with Optima Yellow Top; BF Goodrich Mud Terrain KM2; Lightforce Genuine Custom 70w HID; GME UHF; Safari Snorkel; Rigid Industry SR-Q2 side lights (yet to be installed); Domin8or winch (yet to be installed)

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                • #9
                  Yeah fair call on the plate it makes it easier when you've got the gear. If you know someone in the trade a few beers can get you a few odd jobs!

                  I got the 115AH Trojan for $239, model number 27TMH. I got it from the battery factory in Cairns. I haven't really tested it out other than a few nights away camping, which it kept the fridge running no problems. I actually just leave the fridge on in the car all the time and it pretty much stays at the same charge with the daily driving I do. It cops a full charge every couple of weeks.
                  2008 GXL M6 D4D, Silver
                  Build Up---> [url]http://www.pradopoint.com/viewtopic.php?t=2315[/url]

                  [b]{[/b]ATS Ridepro/Bilstein Lift[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]Dual Batteries with RanOx Battery Booster[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]600w Projecta 240v Inverter[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]Dunlop AT3's / MT MTZ's on Speedy Grande Rims[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]ARB Deluxe Winch Bar[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]IPF900XS Spotties - Converted to 50w 4300k HID[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]35w H4-3 4300k HID Hi-Lo Conversion[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]ARB Underbonnet Compressor[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]GME TX3440[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]T-Max 10,000lb winch[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]Safari Snorkel[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]Milford Cargo Barrier[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]Rhino HD Roofies & AT1410 Roof Tray[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]60L Waeco[b]}[/b]
                  [img]http://www.gifs.net/Animation11/Transportation/Cars/4_wheel_drive.gif[/img]

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                  • #10
                    I brought the Trojan 27tmh the other week and got at the very best price of $203.00 from battery discounters in SA, I paid by credit card and picked it up from Exide batteries in Sydney. See the link below for their web address
                    http://batterydiscounters.com.au/pages/Pricelist.html.
                    Greg
                    GXL 3ltr TD Auto and Alloy Bullbar , IPF Extremes, Dual batteries, Safari Dtronics Chip / snorkel,radiator bash plate,uhf, Mandrel Bent Exhaust 2inch Lift & Gdyr MTR 70 series play tyres on steelies

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                    • #11
                      Just tried and the link didn't work for battery discounters, click on this link and 3/4 the way down the page there is a price list link Just click on that.

                      http://batterydiscounters.com.au/
                      Greg
                      GXL 3ltr TD Auto and Alloy Bullbar , IPF Extremes, Dual batteries, Safari Dtronics Chip / snorkel,radiator bash plate,uhf, Mandrel Bent Exhaust 2inch Lift & Gdyr MTR 70 series play tyres on steelies

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                      • #12
                        Fungi,

                        Good job, did you put in fuses between the batteries?

                        With 6 BS cable you would want a 150amp fuse to ensure the cable doesn't affect your vehicles litres per 100kms.

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                        • #13
                          There is a full spot after the link stopping it from working.

                          http://batterydiscounters.com.au/pages/Pricelist.html

                          Matt
                          2003 Prado Grande TD Auto Pearl White

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                          • #14
                            Hi Guys,

                            Hopefully you are keeping up with the D4D charging voltage thread. I have a 120AH Trojan deep cycle aux battery which is not been charge to its max voltage by the D4D alternator. I am told this will shorten the battery life.

                            John

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Johnk
                              Hi Guys,

                              Hopefully you are keeping up with the D4D charging voltage thread. I have a 120AH Trojan deep cycle aux battery which is not been charge to its max voltage by the D4D alternator. I am told this will shorten the battery life.

                              John
                              What kind of isolator/solenoid are you using?
                              2014 Toyota Prado 150 D4D Auto (facelift); ARB Deluxe Bullbar; OME 2" Lift; Rhino Pioneer Platform Rack; Redarc BCDC 1225 with Optima Yellow Top; BF Goodrich Mud Terrain KM2; Lightforce Genuine Custom 70w HID; GME UHF; Safari Snorkel; Rigid Industry SR-Q2 side lights (yet to be installed); Domin8or winch (yet to be installed)

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