Oils Ain't Oils

[bilo33prado Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close bilo33prado]

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Just so you guys know, checked with the father in law and all Toyota branded fluids except coolant are castrol. So if your after the exact toyota fluid just jot down specs and castrol equivelant will be exact same... Not just similar - exact.

Personally I use penrite for engine because the +10 will burn less with my higher kays. castrol for everything else...

Cheers

So does anybody else supply there own oil when getting a Toyota service and save money? So i wonder what Toyota use in the Prado's? Castrol GTX Diesel?

[Bushbasher Out of control poster! Find all posts View Profile Close Bushbasher]

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I just tipped $70 worth of new Penrite synthetic into the tub of the work ute. At least it won't rust out for a while.

[bilo33prado Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close bilo33prado]

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I just tipped $70 worth of new Penrite synthetic into the tub of the work ute. At least it won't rust out for a while.

Bummer! Pity it wasn't a wooden try.

[chester Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close chester]

Re: Oils Ain't Oils

Just so you guys know, checked with the father in law and all Toyota branded fluids except coolant are castrol. So if your after the exact toyota fluid just jot down specs and castrol equivelant will be exact same... Not just similar - exact.

Personally I use penrite for engine because the +10 will burn less with my higher kays. castrol for everything else...

Cheers

+1 for the Penrite it seems to be a good oil

[steveo Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close steveo]

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Hi All,

I have just graduated from the 120 Series forum to the 150 Series forum and I am finding it just as interesting. I have to say I do miss my 2005 Petrol 120 Grande but the 2011 150 Series Kakadu Diesel is an impressive machine, on the subject of oil, the information contained in T's manual for the 150 Series petrol engine is very straight forward, an SL or SM service classification oil (both are current service classifications) at the viscosity appropriate for your operating temperature range. In the 120 Series for me it was Castrol 5w-30 and the engine was in very very good shape when I sold is at near 200,000 klms.

The diesel I don't beleive is so straight forward, from page 599 T recommend that a API CF-4 oil and even CE or CD service classification may be used. What the :shock: :shock: :shock: I had to read it 3 or 4 times to ensure I had read it correctly. The CD & CE service classifications were obsoleted years ago as CD & CE oils where designed for high sulphur fuels used from the mid 50's to the early 80's on engine with no emmission or little control systems, our fuel and engines are very different now. No way I am using a API CD or CE oil!! So what about API CF-4 this also is an obsolete service classification and API are at now classification CJ-4.

So whats is going on? Why have T specified obsolete oil service classification oil? The D4D is a modern engine using low sulphur fuel which is turbo charged and emmission controlled.

So what is the difference between CF-4 and CJ-4, lots

Based on API, I understand that API CF-4 was obsoleted in 1995 (16 years ago) because it did not preform well with low Sulphur fuel. It also contributed to airbourne particulate (smog) and was not efficiently processed by the emmission control system on the newer engines.

So what about CJ-4, well from API's website

For high-speed four-stroke cycle diesel engines designed to meet 2010 model year on-highway and Tier 4
nonroad exhaust emission standards as well as for previous model year diesel engines. These oils are
formulated for use in all applications with diesel fuels ranging in sulfur content up to 500 ppm (0.05% by
weight). However, the use of these oils with greater than 15 ppm (0.0015% by weight) sulfur fuel may impact
exhaust aftertreatment system durability and/or drain interval. CJ-4 oils are especially effective at sustaining
emission control system durability where particulate filters and other advanced aftertreatment systems are
used. Optimum protection is provided for control of catalyst poisoning, particulate filter blocking, engine
wear, piston deposits, low- and high-temperature stability, soot handling properties, oxidative thickening,
foaming, and viscosity loss due to shear. API CJ-4 oils exceed the performance criteria of API CI-4 with CI-4
PLUS, CI-4, CH-4, CG-4 and CF-4 and can effectively lubricate engines calling for those API Service Categories.
When using CJ-4 oil with higher than 15 ppm sulfur fuel, consult the engine manufacturer for service interval.

As we good folk in Australia use 10ppm sulphur fuel since Jan 2009, again What The CJ-4 seems to be the correct oil for the D4D.

So I didn't get why T did not specify in the manual API CF-4 or better for the D4d until i rang T, and yep I got the usual run around and this old gem "the manual is printed for English Righthand Drive Vehicles around the world and that some information relating to the vehicle is general in nature". In the end I had to give up on getting an answer as these guys are expert stone wallers, my pathetic parting shoot was to reminding them that my vehicle is a retail $105,000 vehicle and the best they can do is give us a genreal manual.

I would love to hear from the forum on what oil you are using, but I am not using and osbsolete service classification oil in a 2011 turbo charged emmission controlled D4D.

Steve

[Noobie Banned Find all posts View Profile Close Noobie]

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I think you've answered your own question there.

Toyota manual is referring to every spec it can handle worldwide... I think you will find in the actual Toyota Australia recommendations it is very different to your worldwide manual translation...

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Steveo said :In the end I had to give up on getting an answer as these guys are expert stone wallers, my pathetic parting shoot was to reminding them that my vehicle is a retail $105,000 vehicle and the best they can do is give us a genreal manual."

Yes, that's so the bulk of consumers will take their vehicle back to a Toyota dealer to get it serviced for the rest of it's life.

[Doc51 Lurker Find all posts View Profile Close Doc51]

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Hi guys i'm in the same situation,just out of warranty and about to travel to Qld towing a van. I have looked closely at all the oils available and am somewhat confused. For thse that are considering Castrol GTX Diesel it says in little letters on the back not for use in engines with particle filters for diesels or catalytic filters in petrol engines. My thoughts are Castrol RX Super as is it I think low ash which makes it suitable for my truck. I also found it curious that the price of genuine oil increased by $20.00 for the same amount of the same oil from last fixed price service to the next customer full price service . They obviously don't charge themselves full retail price.We also have a diesel Mazda 3 and the alternative oil for that stipulates mazda diesel oil.
Daryl

[bilo33prado Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close bilo33prado]

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Hi guys i'm in the same situation,just out of warranty and about to travel to Qld towing a van. I have looked closely at all the oils available and am somewhat confused. For thse that are considering Castrol GTX Diesel it says in little letters on the back not for use in engines with particle filters for diesels or catalytic filters in petrol engines. My thoughts are Castrol RX Super as is it I think low ash which makes it suitable for my truck. I also found it curious that the price of genuine oil increased by $20.00 for the same amount of the same oil from last fixed price service to the next customer full price service . They obviously don't charge themselves full retail price.We also have a diesel Mazda 3 and the alternative oil for that stipulates mazda diesel oil.
Daryl

Hi Doc51, i checked when i bought the GXL and i found out that the Prado D4D doesn't have a particle filter, and Toyota use Cartol oils for servicing.
Cheers
Geoff

[tempestv8 Member Find all posts View Profile Close tempestv8]

Castrol may well be supplying Toyota with oil for servicing, and possibly even for the Toyota branded engine oil that you can buy from your dealer over the counter in the 5 litre retail containers.

However, that oil is different in spec to the Castrol Magnatec Diesel. Toyota 10W-40 diesel engine oil is CH-4, and the Castrol Magnatec Diesel 10W-40 is CF. So the Toyota oil is of a different formulation. Toyota oil is around $42 for 5 litres, and Castrol Magnatec Diesel is around $45, so if I had to choose between these two oils, I'd pick the Toyota oil - it's a no brainer.

Castrol GTX Diesel is a different oil yet again, being 15W-40 and it is a CH-4 oil. I will probably switch to this oil only when outside the new car warranty period.

[Offroader Member Find all posts View Profile Close Offroader]

I wouldn't buy too much into the "Toyota genuine oil" line. After speaking to a dealer on this very subject, depending on the dealership and the country, Toyota oil is supplied by different companies from Exxon-Mobil to Castrol/BP. Worse still, some dealerships which also service and sell other brands of vehicles (Auto Groups) will use general fleet oils to reduce inventory costs. If you're doing the change yourself, any major branded oil which meets the vehicles specs will be fine.

[Desmo Devil Lurker Find all posts View Profile Close Desmo Devil]

As they say "Oils ain't Oils"

I use Castrol Edge 0W-40 fully synthetic. 140k and the donk is like new.........

[johna Member Find all posts View Profile Close johna]

Have used Caltex Dello 400 since nearly new 169,874 klms and no problems. Motor doesn't need additional oil between 5,000 k changes either.
Started supplying my own oil when finding out that Toyota dealers do not use toyota oil, but whatever they get in bulk is used. Was informed a couple of years ago that the "toyota" oil came from Caltex.

[Mr Dazda Lurker Find all posts View Profile Close Mr Dazda]

The best diesel oil is ULX 110 Diesel Supreme a very High TBN and viscosity ( read longevity +10,000km change intertervals) and made form the highest mineral base stocks.

Very good gear have run it in 1hdtft, D4d Hilux and 150 prado,

www.ulx110.com.au

[Meachie Lurker Find all posts View Profile Close Meachie]

Mobil Delvac MX 15w 40, changed every 5,000km with new filter.

90,000km 2008 D4D, No oil usage between oil changes & no problems.

$102 for 20 litres. Works for me.