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  • #646
    Re: diesel rattle in D4D Prado

    Bloody hell Mav - another injector? Did you get the 'new' style injector or a new 'old' style last time? And do you get all new ones this time?

    Hope you get it all fixed this time round.
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    • #647
      Re: diesel rattle in D4D Prado

      Originally posted by mjrandom
      Bloody hell Mav - another injector? Did you get the 'new' style injector or a new 'old' style last time? And do you get all new ones this time?

      Hope you get it all fixed this time round.
      Last time I got one new "old style" injector and they did say that there was every chance that it would fail the same way. According to the talk I had with the service manager in Maitland the selective recall replaces all four injectors with the new model injector.
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      • #648
        Re: diesel rattle in D4D Prado

        Hi Mav,

        I have my Aug07 GXl in tomorrow for the reflash and then have to drive it for a while. The problem is being in Brisbane I won't know if it is fixed until colder night time temps come back because mine, like yours, was a cold temp rattle that started the winter after the 20k service. I would start it and it was very noticeable and got much worse under accelaration. After about 5 - 10 mintues it was gone.........

        I asked about the selective recall when in there 2 weeks ago and they rang Toyota Corporate who are now saying the process is: 1) ECU reflash first, drive for a while and if the issure is still present (should find out around April/May - need colder weather) then return and they will look at injectors. They did do the injector test when I was in there though and gave me the readings posted above, but I have no idea whether they were out or not. Can you compare these to what you had and let me know your thoughts?

        Cheers
        Brett
        '07 Prado GXL D4D Auto, ARB Deluxe Winch Bar, Snorkel, IPF Spots, UHF, OME 2 inch lift, Street Legal Window Tint and alot more items on the wishlist

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        • #649
          Re: diesel rattle in D4D Prado

          Originally posted by Brett
          Hi Mav,

          I have my Aug07 GXl in tomorrow for the reflash and then have to drive it for a while. The problem is being in Brisbane I won't know if it is fixed until colder night time temps come back because mine, like yours, was a cold temp rattle that started the winter after the 20k service. I would start it and it was very noticeable and got much worse under accelaration. After about 5 - 10 mintues it was gone.........

          I asked about the selective recall when in there 2 weeks ago and they rang Toyota Corporate who are now saying the process is: 1) ECU reflash first, drive for a while and if the issure is still present (should find out around April/May - need colder weather) then return and they will look at injectors. They did do the injector test when I was in there though and gave me the readings posted above, but I have no idea whether they were out or not. Can you compare these to what you had and let me know your thoughts?

          Cheers
          Brett

          I smell a cost cutting exercise in effect. The service manager I spoke with told me it costs a lot of money to do the injectors and I believe what he told me. Now that Toyota have posted a huge loss I suspect they are now reluctant to do the injector swap and are trying to postpone the inevitable by making those of us who need the work done wait further into the year. Maitland had 40 D4D Prados waiting for the kits to arrive to correct the problem and the ECU reflash was only part of the job. The service manager showed me the two recall kits that had just arrived to do two of the 40 Prados. Make of it what you will but I do believe the service manager at that dealership as they do have an extremely good reputation.
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          • #650
            Re: diesel rattle in D4D Prado

            Thanks Mav,

            And you are probably on the right track. Especially as I have to drive it for for some time after the ECU reflash is done before taking back. I can tell you now though that it will be fixed, and thanks to this site we can at least educate ourselves to what is really going on and sift through the different bullsh#t that seems to be given to each person from each dealership.

            They are however fully aware that I am not happy and have agreed that it will be fixed. If the ECU reflash doesn't do it then they will be doing the injectors............ :twisted:

            Cheers
            Brett
            '07 Prado GXL D4D Auto, ARB Deluxe Winch Bar, Snorkel, IPF Spots, UHF, OME 2 inch lift, Street Legal Window Tint and alot more items on the wishlist

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            • #651
              Re: diesel rattle in D4D Prado

              Hi Brett

              Exactly what mine did - winter here in Sydney, rattle for the first 5-10mins then OK. Since warmer weather (though there have been some cold mornings) I have no rattle........ Fuel consumption has not changed.

              Guess I'll have to wait for winter conditions to see if the rattle is still present.

              Ron
              07 Prado GXL, D4D manual, silver ash, Sovereign bullbar, towbar, spotties, dual batts, BFG A/T, sunroof, TXE 4400, window tints, headlight & bonnet protectors, floor mats, Navman MY60T, 2" Ultimate suspension, Polyairs, snorkel

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              • #652
                Re: diesel rattle in D4D Prado

                In Cairns we have 3 service departments in different locations from the same dealer. Today I rang the main service department to book in for the reflash and was quite ARROGANTLY advised (by the service manager) there's no such thing and only for the 200 series. This was after being told there is a reflash available from one of their other service departments... Who "apparently" didn't know what they were talking about. And to "not to believe everything you read on the internet" when pradopoint was mentioned. So all you blokes who've had the reflash must be lying!! Arrrrrrgggghhhhhhhh

                I was furious so made a few calls one of which was to Toyota head office who confirmed that there is indeed a reflash and revised injector which was released in December last year. Needless to say I've organised another service department to look into it for me for next week... I bloody hope I can get somewhere with it as I'm banging my head against a wall every time I speak to this particular service department! As most of you are aware with this problem, there is a process in which the service department must go through before the appropriate course of action is taken. There is no recall as such but a "fix" based on the severity of the rattle which is determined by the Toyota tech crew which the dealers send the info to for rectification advice/warranty authorisation.

                So at the moment I'm still rattly! More so than ever!

                Cheers

                Crammy :x
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                • #653
                  Re: diesel rattle in D4D Prado

                  Originally posted by Crammy
                  So at the moment I'm still rattly! More so than ever!
                  Hang in there Crammy... hopefully a fix for your Prado soon. :|
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                  • #654
                    Re: diesel rattle in D4D Prado

                    Originally posted by ntpryce
                    Originally posted by Crammy
                    So at the moment I'm still rattly! More so than ever!
                    Hang in there Crammy... hopefully a fix for your Prado soon. :|
                    Yeah mate all good... Just frustrated at the time it's taking to get anywhere with it! (And I hate arrogance!)
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                    • #655
                      Re: diesel rattle in D4D Prado

                      Originally posted by Crammy
                      ............... so made a few calls one of which was to Toyota head office who confirmed that there is indeed a reflash and revised injector which was released in December last year..........
                      Crammy :x
                      Aaaahaaa! Well there's a handy bit of info I hadn't read before!
                      So has any body got a rattler built after December "last year"?? I presume 2007?
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                      • #656
                        Re: diesel rattle in D4D Prado

                        Originally posted by Crammy
                        Originally posted by ntpryce
                        Originally posted by Crammy
                        So at the moment I'm still rattly! More so than ever!
                        Hang in there Crammy... hopefully a fix for your Prado soon. :|
                        Yeah mate all good... Just frustrated at the time it's taking to get anywhere with it! (And I hate arrogance!)
                        Hi Crammy,
                        I can't wait to cross swords with that chap, I have been over in the land of the long white cloud so had to put Prado on hold for a bit, mine is not too bad anyway, I hope you get a good result mate
                        07 Upgrade GXL D4D, Manual, Dune,Sov Bar, BFG's, SG11, Redark dual Batts, Extensive Aux wiring, Stebel, LED stop tails, IPF HID's (my mod), 240V Inv, ARB Comp, GME UHF,TPMS, Safari snorkel, GPS,Hilux washers, 40l Engel in 30% pas pos,homemade A/C cond protection plate, polyairs.

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                        • #657
                          Re: diesel rattle in D4D Prado

                          Hey Walter,

                          Yeah mine is not as bad as others it seems. Reflash done yesterday and the car doesn't seem that different that I can notice anyway. Will just need to wait until it cools down again to find out. It does seemed to have made better (not totally fixed) the slight turbo lag when you plant the foot from a stop. This lag seems to be smaller.

                          Hi Crammy and others,

                          Stick to your guns. Frustrating as hell, but I got the exact same attitude from the service department I visited at first. I was not happy with their answers and they knew it, so I asked to speak to the Service Manager. Explained my thoughts and that it is a known problem so don't bullsh#t me anymore and then that is when they agreed to send a "DPR" (i think that is what it is) to Toyota Corporate Office who then came back with the response do an ECU reflash. At the end of the day, most people don't like doing it (I know I don't) but the squeaky wheel gets the oil. Follow them up and they will realise the only way you are going away is to fix the issue.

                          If come May, June the rattle returns with the colder mornings they will be fixing it. At the end of the day this website is allowing us to not be treated as fools by Toyota as we know these are not isolated cases.

                          Cheers
                          Brett
                          '07 Prado GXL D4D Auto, ARB Deluxe Winch Bar, Snorkel, IPF Spots, UHF, OME 2 inch lift, Street Legal Window Tint and alot more items on the wishlist

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                          • #658
                            Re: diesel rattle in D4D Prado

                            Hi Everyone

                            Well as per my last post re diesal rattle it has taken 3 weeks for the dealers to get back to me. Toyota has agreed to replace no 1 fuel injector under warranty which is well and good. No mention of the flash upgrade by the dealer.
                            My concern, expressed to them, was what about the other 3 injectors ????
                            Only if approved was the reply which of course it isnt. :evil:
                            My concern is i have spent a pretty penny on this machine (as we all tend to do on this site) and plan to run her for a few years past the warranty period. Out of warranty those injectors cost a lot to replace and they havent even lasted 40 k of travel :?: :?:
                            Well all i can recommend to you all is to drop you vehicles off for a " cold start diagnostic check" every time you get the car serviced and dont believe the sh@t they will throw at you ...

                            stephen
                            06 GXL D4D 5 speed Auto. Dual battery,Engel 40ltr fridge,Lifestyle fridge mount, Bilstien/Ridpro 2" lift, ARB deluxe bullbar, Safari snorkle, Icom CB , milford barrier,Rear door table, 04 Bushranger camper.

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                            • #659
                              Re: diesel rattle in D4D Prado

                              Sounds like my fuel guzzling, thumping great petrol chewing V6 was a good long term investment

                              Yep... sometimes having the latest and greatest doesn't work out for the best.... always back "tried and tested" always a safe bet.

                              Drop that D4D and go 1KZTE :lol: :lol: :lol: ... or v6 of course :wink:


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                              • #660
                                Re: diesel rattle in D4D Prado

                                Can anyone recomend a dealer in Brisbane to have this problem looked at? mines due for a 40,000 service, rattles its head off when cold, engine cuts out sometimes after just being started & is a fuel pig, 13.5 lp 100k & seems to have lost power, otherwise its running great
                                2007 D4D auto, Tunit Power Module, Scan GaugeII, Bilsteins & lovels HD, raised 50mm front & 60mm rear, 10,000lb Tmax winch, 7/16th Amsteelblue synthetic 23,000lb winch cable, TiTan HD winch solenoid pack, Outback draws with fridge slide & 50 litre Waeco, Ryno roof rack & Alloy Cage & extra set of Rhino HD Roof bars x 3, TJM type 15 steel Bullbar powder coated silver, Dual battery setup with custom tray, Bosch Navigator spots with 55w HID kit, Sand Grabber mats, Toyota Tow Bar, Sensor Touch Electric Brakes, Cooper ST 265/70/17 tyres, Uniden remote head UHF radio, Modified Milford Cargo Barrier, Extra power points in the back run with 10mm wire for fridge & inverter, Anderson plugs with 10mm wire front & back for the camper & compresor conections. 7 inch in dash JVC DVD player with bluetooth & Ipod adaptor, 39DB Stebel High Power TM80/2 Magnum Electric Horns. JL Audio 300/4, 300/2 power amps, Pioneer TS-C160R front splits & TS-D161S rear speakers & 12" Pioneer sub

                                Still need to fit some heavy duty engine & transmision gaurds, snorkel. 9inch headrest monitors

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