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  • Hey All, I am trying to summarise a couple of key points on this very very lengthy thread. If anyone can please provide sightings/proof of the below it would be much appreciated.

    Injectors:
    1. The Rattle only/mainly seems to effect pre-October 2009 120Series Prado's (The injectors were changed to DLC type in the 2009 update? Sighting needed)
    2. Anyone who has had Toyota carry out injector replacement have use the new DLC type and this has solved the issue.
    3. The first batch of 150Series used the old non DLC injector, and suffered the same problem, they then switched to DLC again and again no problem.
    4. So if all of the above is correct, it seems obvious that this issue is a design/engineering/manufacturing fault in using the non-DLC type injectors, and toyota know the solution is to replace/use DLC type injectors.
    5. The engines in Aussie Prados are the same as in Europe, where there is evidence of Toyota issuing recalls.

    Fuel:
    1. People are saying only to use BP fuel as only BP fuel is guaranteed to be of the standard required i.e. the European Standards
    2. Toyota are blaming bad Aussie fuel, yet this issue still occurred in Europe, and they are recalling.
    3. If the fuel is to blame, why does it not cause a problem after DLC Type Injectors are fitted.

    Warranty:
    1. Toyota's Australian Warranty is 3yrs OR 100,000klm which ever comes first.
    2. There are example of people outside of this period, and no 3rd party insurance/warranties getting the work done under warranty by Toyota (Please reply and concur if this applies to you)
    3. There is a "Reasonable Expected Service Life" clause/law on which this kind of major failure in a vehicle of this initial purchase price would relate.

    So I have jumped through every hoop given to my by my local Toyota Dealer to no avail. I am about to launch a complaint with Toyota Australia Directly, and would appreciate as much documented evidence possible on the points above, attachments, weblinks etc. Either reply here or please PM me.

    It seems obvious to me this is a design fault, no matter which way Toyota want to hide it (Fuel, Age or otherwise) they should have never used the non-DLC injectors as they are simply non compatible with this design. Who on earth expects to be spending this kind of money on such a critically major repair on a $70,000 car less then 100,000 into it's life, especially what 'should' be considered an exceptionally reliable vehicle (Toyota Land Cruiser brand)
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    • One thing, i think there is a typo with 120 series year, october 2009? i think they didnt even produce 120s in october 2009 as the new 150 came out by then

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      • I have just bought a september 2008 build Prado turbo diesel with 116000 kms on the clock. Should i be worried?

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        • Apparently my injectors need replacing! That is according to the spokesman at my local dealer. He didn't know why my injectors had failed as he was just reading the jobsheet from the mechanic. Can Toyota explain to me why my mate in his Hyundai Terracan had no problems using the same fuel as me for the 6,600km that we did on our last trip. He has nearly 230,000km on that car without any engine hassles. His car cost almost half what mine did. His car towed me out of the shite for 400km.
          Dave
          Views expressed are mine alone and are not intended to compromise the integrity of my employer nor offend those who may read such views.
          Bugger Bali, get out and see Australia before we sell it all to China.

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          • I was at Toyota today to pick up the money pit 'my car'.
            The 'mechanic' mentioned the noise when he started my car for the first time today, I told him that the noise has been there since I bought the car and I mentioned the fact that I read about it on this forum and he reckons he has never heard another Prado with that noise...
            Reckon he's trying to get more money out of me??
            or is this issue bigger than we think, he reckons that the injector could fail at any time....

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            • It will rattle a little bit during these winter mornings as the ECU pumps more fuel into the engine to get things warmed up quickly. That is quite normal but the rattle should subside as the temperature gets to normal operating range. Mine hardly rattled at all and didn't blow any smoke until it finally stalled and gave up. If your rattle won't go away then you need to get the system checked before it spits the chewy completely. Don't end up like me - 1200km away from home in the bush.
              Dave
              Views expressed are mine alone and are not intended to compromise the integrity of my employer nor offend those who may read such views.
              Bugger Bali, get out and see Australia before we sell it all to China.

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              • I'm away travelling with a mate who has a D4D 150 build Mar2011, mine is Oct2010. There is a huge difference in the sound coming from the injectors. His is a quiet deeper sound, while mine sounds like a sewing machine, particularly under acceleration. Even when idling there is a noticeable difference when listening under the bonnet.

                I've read through all the threads but I'm confused if there is a simple way to tell which injectors are in the engine, without taking things apart?
                [B]Steve[/B]

                2010 Silver GXL Prado 150, D4D Auto, with a few non standard bits

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                • Thanks Roo, I have an OBD module that plugs in under the dash, can that be used?
                  [B]Steve[/B]

                  2010 Silver GXL Prado 150, D4D Auto, with a few non standard bits

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                  • Originally posted by krypto View Post
                    Thanks Roo, I have an OBD module that plugs in under the dash, can that be used?
                    No. You will need a more expensive tool that reads MOBD protocol. There are a few things that are OBD compliant on the prado, but injector compensation codes are not one of them.

                    The cheapest scanner that will read the codes is a chinese copy of the denso unit. You can find them on auction sites etc. They call them "toyota intellegent tester 2"
                    I have not used one myself. We use a $7000.00 Carmanscan tool at work. A rep just told me about the chinese copies of the denso tool.
                    2008 Diesel Prado with extra stuff added. I drive it on the road and other places too.

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                    • Latest update: My car needs 4 new injectors. 2 are completely shot and the other 2 are "slightly out of range." The insurance company (Swann) wants to replace only 2 injectors. Thankfully, my local dealer appears to be doing the right thing by me and has told them that all four have to be replaced because the current replacement injectors are not compatible with the original ones. The dealer has ordered four injectors from a supplier in Perth and these will be fitted as soon as the insurance company gives the nod. I had to drive the cobra to the dealer and tell them what a hardship I'm facing having to drive it whilst my Prado is in the workshop.
                      Dave
                      Views expressed are mine alone and are not intended to compromise the integrity of my employer nor offend those who may read such views.
                      Bugger Bali, get out and see Australia before we sell it all to China.

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                      • Originally posted by Bushbasher View Post
                        I had to drive the cobra to the dealer and tell them what a hardship I'm facing having to drive it whilst my Prado is in the workshop.
                        Must be a real hardship having to drive one of those!
                        Can't we just keep travelling?
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                        • I took the beastie into the dealer and said to the young bloke behind the service counter "See what I have to drive around in because you guys haven't fixed my broken Prado yet?" I showed it to the mechanics and service guys to prove that I really do look after my cars. I painted the cobra 16 years ago and have had it on the road for nearly 14 years. I challenged them to make my Prado last as long. (Good luck with that I hear you say).
                          Dave
                          Views expressed are mine alone and are not intended to compromise the integrity of my employer nor offend those who may read such views.
                          Bugger Bali, get out and see Australia before we sell it all to China.

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                          • Hi. To update on my situation. I got nothing out of Toyota apart from waiting for two weeks for them to tell me that they will not help me with an out of warranty claim and that the build-up on the oil strainer will "drop off" with frequent oil changes.
                            Got 4 brand new injectors fitted at Fremantle Fuel Injection + new Fuel filter = $2830.
                            Now there's just a sweet turbo whistle coming from the engine.
                            Just have to drop the small sump this weekend to clean the strainer and I should be good to go for many kms...
                            Has anyone dropped the small sump? Is it an easy job?
                            Anyway Toyota - not very good at all.
                            Fremantle Fuel Injection - Legendary stuff.
                            Nik.

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                            • Damn thats a good price! I've been quoted $3500 to do ours up here in Darwin. And the local Toyota dealer wanted almost $2000 to do one!
                              Can't we just keep travelling?
                              Travelling Panelbeater
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                              • Nik thanks for sharing the info about Fremantle Fuel injection.
                                [B]Steve[/B]

                                2010 Silver GXL Prado 150, D4D Auto, with a few non standard bits

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