The Diesel Economy: I just don't get it.

[YMUS Find all posts View Profile Close YMUS]

Thanks Michael
Didn't put injectors in as yet when the "checked" them a year ago they removed inspected cleaned re-installed.
Have done LOADS if research and had many discussions with many people. I have decided to have my oil uptake checked again. I have found a supplier who will supply genuine Denso latest NEW "Euro" injectors for $399 ea delivered - IF I choose to change them out.
Do a cold start check on Monday Michael
Cheers
Larry D

YMUS - which injectors did you put in when you changed them out?
Did you also replace the SCV at the same time?

Suggest you grab a cold-start report including volume to have a better picture. Then also run and post the same numbers when warm.

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r4ndll some good pints there.
On the current fuel costs Caltex vortex Diesel is currently 10 - 12 cents / L cheaper than E10 where i fill up.
that = a few extra boxes of beer and a bottle of wine or 2 for the wife.
not sure how long it will stay this way.

Diesel cheaper than unleaded is a rarity. I drive a diesel and a petrol everyday around Sydney

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Diesel cheaper than unleaded is a rarity. I drive a diesel and a petrol everyday around Sydney

In the last year or 2 petrol has been cheaper than diesel. Historically over the 30 years I have owned and driven diesels, Diesel has been cheaper than Petrol. What happens in the future is anyone's guess.

Cheers Andrew

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Simple volumes - The number of diesels sold far outweighs number of petrols. I read somewhere (can't find the link again) that over 70% of Prados sold are diesel. That's 140,000 new diesel prados vs 60,000 petrols sold upto 2013.



Don't know why - 420nm of Torque is more than enough for me...

But 179kw vs 127 kW

Rubbish - Melbourne to Cape York is 3,937km by most direct route, and the service intervals are 10,000km for both petrol and diesel. You'd have to service neither, because we'd all service our cars before the trip!

From the posts on this forum that I've read Over the last five years you'd be a brave man to run 10000k in a prado diesel without servicing

Fuel for trip to Cape York would cost you $831.87 petrol and $777.83 in diesel - That's an extra case of beer and bottle of wine saved right there. (more if you shop at Aldi)

(Average fuel price Nationwide 2014 - 148.8 Petrol/ 156.8 Diesel source AIP)
(Average fuel consumption Petrol 14.2/ Diesel 12.6 source Fuelly.com)

Now for time savings - well. with the petrol's 1300km range and the diesels 1700km range - you'd have to fill up 3 times in the petrol and only 2.3 times in the diesel. We all know how long it takes to fill them up from empty even at the high flow pumps. That's an extra 20 minutes saved right there.

But the petrol owner will be an hour ahead waiting for the diesel owner to catch up .

In all seriousness, this is an interesting read: http://www.4x4australia.com.au/drive...diesel/image-2

Especially the verdict: "While there are plenty of hypotheticals in this study, it does blow away the myth that owning a diesel 4X4 is cheaper than owning a gas-guzzling petrol 4X4.

It also shows that it pays to do a lot of studying at home, calculator in hand, so you can make an informed purchase decision on your next new 4X4."

The post about worrying about needing to service the injectors before a trip to Birdsville really lays the boot in .

[Beach Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close Beach]

The post about worrying about needing to service the injectors before a trip to Birdsville really lays the boot in .

The fact that there is so much special attention and maintenance required for the diesels is enough to give me pause. (injectors, oil pick up clogging, etc)
Then theres the associated costs and time.
Then the big bill if it goes crackle fizz.
I know thats not exactly every second vehicle sold, but, its far more common than it should be. Especially in a so called ultra modern era.

When I was searching for a Prado I was hands down all set to get the diesel. The "gas guzzling" petrol was not even a consideration. Then I discovered all the issues with the diesels that regularly get discussed. Then I witnessed two vehicles go bang and saw the repair bills. In both cases the vehicles were fitted out work trucks, so they had to be repaired ASAP. The owners have businesses to run, so fighting with Toyota for a warranty claim is not worth their time and lost earnings with the vehicles off the road. Leave me out of it.

Horses for courses, but I have better things to do with my time and hard earned.

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I think you spend too much time on the Internet, 99% of all new cars are just fine. The Internet reports only the bad ones, making an assumption the are all bad is just crazy.

I can assure you that if you buy a diesel Prado, you won't have any issues. Period. Those that do are shit out of luck, but there are worse things that could happen to you in life than some hypothetical wear and tear of a moving part somewhere.


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I think you spend too much time on the Internet, 99% of all new cars are just fine. The Internet reports only the bad ones, making an assumption the are all bad is just crazy.

I can assure you that if you buy a diesel Prado, you won't have any issues. Period. Those that do are shit out of luck, but there are worse things that could happen to you in life than some hypothetical wear and tear of a moving part somewhere.


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Re read what I posted. Your "guarantee" is worth exactly what I paid for it. 99% is a crazy assumption. Remember I witnessed two vehicles go bang. Thats a whole lot of "bad luck". I also drive a 150 diesel work vehicle and I can tell you I'm less than impressed.

As I said - horses for courses. I don't need the agg.

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Re read what I posted. Your "guarantee" is worth exactly what I paid for it. 99% is a crazy assumption. Remember I witnessed two vehicles go bang. Thats a whole lot of "bad luck". I also drive a 150 diesel work vehicle and I can tell you I'm less than impressed.

As I said - horses for courses. I don't need the agg.

Not sure what you are seeking to prove. You chose and like the petrol, good for you.

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Diesel cheaper than unleaded is a rarity. I drive a diesel and a petrol everyday around Sydney

Come to WA mate, diesel has mostly been cheaper than ULP since we last saw the ULP dive to nearly a dollar a litre at Christmas time. (It never actually got to a $1 like they were showing over east). Then ULP rocketed up to $1.45 a litre. Just last week diesel was 15 cents a litre cheaper.

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Not sure what you are seeking to prove. You chose and like the petrol, good for you.

Like wise.

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Come to WA mate, diesel has mostly been cheaper than ULP since we last saw the ULP dive to nearly a dollar a litre at Christmas time. (It never actually got to a $1 like they were showing over east). Then ULP rocketed up to $1.45 a litre. Just last week diesel was 15 cents a litre cheaper.

Yeah at the moment diesel is cheaper than unleaded, first time in a very long time . In fact I'd say historically low . I can't remember buying diesel for $126 for some years . By the same token petrol has just taken a huge leap just in time for the up coming school holidays , and it will increase a little bit more this week , just so the petrol companies aren't seen to increase their prices by 20c a litre the day before the holidays .

[Walkie Talkie Lurker Find all posts View Profile Close Walkie Talkie]

I've been worrying this injectors thing for a while since I started looking for my first 'new' 2nd hand prado and read so many threads about it. Talked to a Toyota sales consultant this week when passing by the caryard and his reply is "never need to replace the injectors according to the service book", now I get a bit more confused.
By the way, what do you guys suggest to buy, a 120 with low mileage or 150 with high kms on clock?
Looked at a 2010 KDJ150 with about 100k kms, with some mods for around $39k, but also found lots red sand under body. Not started the engine yet nor testdrive. What do you reckon? Has this 150 done some serious offroading according to the red sand? Is it from desert or water crossing? I have no 4wd experience so please give me some advise, is it worth buying? thanks a lot!

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The Diesel Economy: I just don't get it.

Looked at a 2010 KDJ150 with about 100k kms, with some mods for around $39k, but also found lots red sand under body. Not started the engine yet nor testdrive. What do you reckon? Has this 150 done some serious offroading according to the red sand? Is it from desert or water crossing? I have no 4wd experience so please give me some advise, is it worth buying? thanks a lot!

When I bought my 120 D4D it had 78k on it. It also had red dust under the seals which was what was to be expected as it was an ex dept of housing Mt Isa vehicle. This may have been from driving around dirt roads.
It hadn't done any towing cause there was no tow bar , only a dodgy nudge bar and no mods. I did get it checked out by my mechanic first cause it's still a lot of money to spend. It has 120k on it now and needs injectors replaced. Just add this cost to normal maintenance and forget about it. The only problem I hAd was a leaking OEM strut. Good reliable cars if maintained. I don't think you would be disappointed with either.
Cheers Matt

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... his reply is "never need to replace the injectors according to the service book", now I get a bit more confused.

Well my Toyota service guys suggested I check my injectors with a view to replacement at 130,000. I just went to Baileys and got them to do the job. She's nice and quiet now. The injector thing isn't a big deal if you replace them when required, and service the car properly. - Just my opinion.

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"never need to replace the injectors according to the service book",

Sounds like someone is telling porkies.

My parents have just had the gearbox on their '98 Jackaroo rebuilt. The service book says "sealed for life" so it never gets serviced "by the book". This is just a ploy by manufacturers to keep the initial fixed service costs down. A bunch of miles, years and owners down the track and major repairs are required.