Aftermarket front recovery points for 150 Series

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So these aftermarket recovery points are rated, but are the bolts that hold them on rated? Tested to destruction?
Or simply a basic high tensile bolt, which can be easily broken as simply as over tightening......
The standard recovery point on the front of the 120 to say the least are a lot thicker & stronger than a basic vehicle tie down point.
They are welded very well.

When you bolt a big strong rated recovery point to the vehicle with the lowsy 8.8 tensile not only are the bolts not as big or strong but look what they are going into..... It ain't cast iron!
Those 2 bolts cannot be any stronger than a very thick steel welded on.....

Or what did I miss? That's my thoughts at this stage......

Please read this entire thread from the beginning, particularly from post 120 onwards.

Ask Toyota about how good the OE points are for recoveries, I'm sure their response will fill you with confidence.

This has been discussed already: http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread...l=1#post355271
Also here: http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread...ecovery-points
And here: http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread...ecovery-Points

Been covered extensively before, it seems that the OE 150 series tie down points are very similar to the last of the OE 120 series tie down points. In other words, they look strong enough, but essentially they are not recovery points.

At the end of the day, it matters not whether you think your tie down point is adequate for a recovery. It will be up to the person that recovers you because if it fails, that chunk of metal will be sailing towards the back of the recovery vehicle at a great rate of knots. I can assure you that I won't be recovering anyone without them having a recovery point fitted, but you go ahead and try to convince someone else that recovering your vehicle is more important than their safety.

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If I get That much time for reading I will.
From the reading I have done I cant find where it says the aftermarket recovery points are bolted to a Prado when tested.
I understand Toyota don't rate them, I'm not convinced they are that bad.
I could not find anything about 2 bolts being stronger than welds.
But like I said one day I will try and look harder.

If you don't want to discuss it any further I can understand that.
Thankx.

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As Peter pointed out, there's lots of discussion already in the threads he linked too. There's not much point going over the same ground, over and over again. So grab a coffee and have a good read

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I got the same response from John, though as I am in Melbourne he suggested I drive on over to try them out. As they are about 50kms away I hope to do this on Saturday (as long as it is raining) and I will update the thread on how they go.

Hi Netarch
Did you get a chance to go over today and see if they would fit up to a TJM bar?

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A bit of bad news on the TJM bar front. I went to the shop but he didn't have one in the store at the time so I couldn't size it up properly.

It appears that TJM drill a second hole (the one closest to the rear of the car) to mount the bull bar onto the chassis instead of using a caped hole located which is located close to the top of the chassis rail and about 3 cms back from the first hole. Hopefully the picture will show but the second hole needed to mount the recovery point, it is just to the left of the FL stamp covered by part of the bulbar mount and still capped with a rubber cap. So it looks like it could be possible to use the recovery point though it would require the following: (assuming the whole piece wont hit the second bullbar bolt though their appears to be enough room between the 2 bolts for the recovery point to fit.)
Notching out the bullbar mount to allow entry to the required hole.
Possibly drilling out the hole a bit (appears that the hole is smaller than the bolts)? Possibly an illusion I guess someone who has mounted to this hole should be able to answer this point.
Once this is done the hassle would be to try and get a third nut into the chassis rail to bolt down the top mounting point.

You may want to also look at the picture they have put on ebay which is the mounting on an FJ

[Hazza Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close Hazza]

ARB recovery point for the 150 are not yet available. He must have another brand.

Bruce

Possibility. Will check it out this Thursday.

Hazza

Well seems they are another brand. ARB fix was to offer 'Bow shackles' rated at 3.25t. Personally if it was my truck I would not be impressed. A bogged to the axles Prado comes in at over 5t. Mate will have to live with it now and use both recovery points if he gets that stuck.


Hazza

[smakb Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close smakb]

Recovery points from Everything 4x4 fitted today. No issues with the ARB bar

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Look very much like the Outback Ideas ones except a different colour, do like the fact that they are the only ones I have seen with a WLL stamped.

See ya on the tracks, Richo.

[Kev7762 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Kev7762]

ARB recovery point for the 150 are not yet available. He must have another brand.

Bruce



Well seems they are another brand. ARB fix was to offer 'Bow shackles' rated at 3.25t. Personally if it was my truck I would not be impressed. A bogged to the axles Prado comes in at over 5t. Mate will have to live with it now and use both recovery points if he gets that stuck.


Hazza

Hazza,

Casting my mind back to my Army recovery mechanic training a 2.5 tonne Prado bogged in mud would take a pull force of 1.25 tonnes to move, however this may increase depending if the body has suctioned to the mud.
Therefore a 3.25t tackle would be more than adequate especially when you include the safety factor of at least 4 and possibly 6 times the WLL.
Not suggesting that the existing tie down points are adequate or that including the safety factor when calculating recovery loads is appropriate, but even if you picked one up by the Roo bar it will still only weigh 2.5 tonnes.

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D shackles don't necessarily have a 4-6x safety factor.

If you're seriously stuck you'd be best using both points.

[Kev7762 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Kev7762]

D shackles don't necessarily have a 4-6x safety factor.

If you're seriously stuck you'd be best using both points.

Most definitely and in all honesty most of the aftermarket points will probably do the job better than the tie downs due to the load being put on a flat plate (so long as you aren't side loading) instead of a piece of bent steel, the great unknown being the mounting bolts.
As I have said previously (and this may have been where Hazza was referring to 5 tonne) the loads from a winch being applied are far less than the shock load from a snatch strap.
At the end of the day there is no Australian standard for recovery points so any WLL, SWL or similar is not based on any standard measurements and I would think based on an engineers calculation based on assumptions as to the strength of the mounting point (chassis rail) and specified mounting hardware.
Probably using the factory tie downs would be suitable for winching with the load spread over both, however attaching a snatch strap would require a much larger level of care and driving finesse to minimise the shock load.

[JPH Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close JPH]

I've just fitted a set to my 150 with the ARB bar, from what I can establish these are the same as on ebay and are made by Roadsafe.

Here is the link

http://www.roadsafe.com.au/extreme_offroad.html

They are designed to be used together with an equaliser strap, so you then place equal strain on the chassis.

Cheers

JPH

[Ages Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Ages]

Has anybody with a tjm bar tried these yet? Thinking or ordering a set...

[Kev7762 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Kev7762]

Just looking at them, they are advertised as tow points, not recovery points and again would not be rated as such.
Again strength would be related to the type of bolts used.
I would suggest that these guys have recognized the limitations, hence recommending that they are used with an equaliser strap.
At the end of the day as long as we are picking up suitable mounting points, using appropriate bolts at the correct tension to fit and due diligence when either winching and more so when snatching any of these aftermarket plate style points should be effective.

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My road safe recovery points were fitted today with a TJM T13 Bullbar.

Supplied and fitted by the team at TJM Brendale.