Inverter upgrade in GXL

[darecki Sooky & Banned Find all posts View Profile Close darecki]

Well, alright, deleted. Are U happy?
I don't want to spend more time explaining that if someone doesn't like this idea has no obligation to upgrade Inverter. I thought it was rather obvious.
Sorry for those ones who wants to know how this inverter can be upgraded. I had enough.

[Si & Rae Member Find all posts View Profile Close Si & Rae]

Nice Job. Good idea. Is there much heat generated when running loaded over a long duration?

[Matty80 Avid PP Poster! Find all posts View Profile Close Matty80]

Just remember fellas, the 240V AC outputs from inverters can cause serious injury and or death. Modifying the units in any way will void warranties and all liabilities the manufacturer implies with the sale of the units.

Any injuries sustained though the use of such modified units can be prosecuted in a court of law.

Be aware that such units should only be used in the manner for which they were designed.

[darecki Sooky & Banned Find all posts View Profile Close darecki]

I changed my mind and removed my post. Curious why? Look there: http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread...upgrade-in-GXL

[darecki Sooky & Banned Find all posts View Profile Close darecki]

I changed my mind and removed my post. Curious why? Look there: http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread...upgrade-in-GXL

[Crisp Image Member Find all posts View Profile Close Crisp Image]

Thanks for making the rescue person who may have to cut you out of the car after an accident more at risk of electric shock by cutting through the HV cable you ran from the front to the rear.
Just something else to consider.
Regards
Crisp Image

[darecki Sooky & Banned Find all posts View Profile Close darecki]

I changed my mind and removed my post. Curious why? Look there: http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread...upgrade-in-GXL

[LeighW Avid PP Poster! Find all posts View Profile Close LeighW]

Hi guys,

I think if you do some research you'll find it is illegal to run a cable carrying 240V
in a car for the reasons above concerning rescue personnel safety hence why the invertor
is where the outlet is.

Statement 2 above is a little vague, for the non technical people, invertors are
just as lethal as house mains, if you manage to get yourself accross the active
and nuetral you will get electrocuted. The danger in an accident is that the nuetral
may come in contact with the body work then someone happens to touch the body and contacts
the active, goodbye charlie. Granted chances of this occurring unlikely but then Murphies law
comes into action.

Also seeing how cheap chinese invertors are made I wouldn't bet my life assuming the
the nuetral or active output of the invertor are not connected to the vehicles +ve or -ve.

Cheers
LeighW

[Matty80 Avid PP Poster! Find all posts View Profile Close Matty80]

This is not a real issue. First of all it is impossible to experience an electric shock if:

1. Both wires are being cut at the same time
2. The inverter has not grounded output
3. The inverter is turned off

I have a switch installed and inverter works when is explicity turned on (unlike factory one). It is unlikely that I'll have it turned on while driving since I use it only for heavy load like my kettle.
The wire is at floor level and usually they cut higher located parts.
Also, if you look on factory cabling under the bonnet - there is much more risk of fire after accident caused by long, thick and unfused battery cables. In Lc200 there is one above the radiator running between batteries. Easy for short circuit if you t-bone.

12v systems do not contain the potential difference within the system to break the resistance of the skin, ordinarily. Therefore, cannot be compared to 240V systems, which do contain that potential difference, at all times. 30mA will kill you.

You assume to much to say that if both wires are cut, you can't be injured. Or if its not grounded within the unit. Assume a fault develops within the unit where it does ground a core, or the cable run through the car grounds to the body, and then you plug in a faulty appliance? Where are you then?

Are you qualified to make the call on whether something is safe or not, qualified to give advise on modification of 240V systems?

Modifying these system is dangerous, and can open you to liability.

[tassie tiger Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close tassie tiger]

Thanks for making the rescue person who may have to cut you out of the car after an accident more at risk of electric shock by cutting through the HV cable you ran from the front to the rear.
Just something else to consider.
Regards
Crisp Image

First thing road rescue does is disconnect the vehicles batteries. I understand what you are driving at however there should be no cutting of anything till the batteries are isolated.

Though I am a little uncomfortable with the idea of 240v running in the vehicle, but hey its not mine.

cheers

[Brains Find all posts View Profile Close Brains]

Vehicles are 12V for a reason. Perhaps if you need 240V you need to stay at home!!! There are plenty of options for boiling water when away from home, gas burners, 12V kettles. A lot of effort and cost to go to for the purpose of a cuppa???

[darecki Sooky & Banned Find all posts View Profile Close darecki]

I changed my mind and removed my post. Curious why? Look there: http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread...upgrade-in-GXL

[Matty80 Avid PP Poster! Find all posts View Profile Close Matty80]

30mA is the lowest current which *may* cause harm. Sometimes even, say, 1kA may not kill, just evaporate someone's leg or something. The vehicle is not grounded while standing on tyres and even if is rolled over it is still not grounding the vehicle while is on pavement or something. The resistance of that sort of connection will be much over your skin resistance.
Yes, I've been trained to work on live circuits connected to mains without disconnecting them, however, overseas. This is also what I did in the past having up to 25kV around myself. I didn't do it in OZ. I mentioned before this is not DIY thing if your're not licenced, this is just an idea which inverter can be put where and how. If you're unsure get someone licenced to do so or to sign it off. This modification can be legal and there is no problem with having 230V since there is factory fitted inverter.
Looking at how many vehicles have HIDs retrofitted without a fear regarding having a whole insurance voided (except a green sleep), being exposed for liability is not a big deal for some :P Especialy in inverter's case which *can* be legal :P
How much does it cost to rebuild someone's house when 3rd party insurance is voided? How much time has to be done if someone caused an injury by driving unroadworthy vehicle? Don't worry too much about 230V, just make it legal.

I am absolutely dumb struck at your attitude toward electrical installation and safety, and the fact that you posted it on a public forum.

As a qualified industrial and marine electrican, if you asked me to sign off on your install - well, i shouldn't have to mention what i'd say.

[Davros Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close Davros]

First thing road rescue does is disconnect the vehicles batteries. I understand what you are driving at however there should be no cutting of anything till the batteries are isolated.

When I used to do that $hit for a job, we always tried to disconnect batteries if feesable.
This is mainly to minimise the fire risks involved, but often you just can't get to the battery area. We did cut up vehicles with an unknown battery connection/condition status. It just had to be done.
I really don't like the idea of 240v running through any motor vehicle. There are just too many variables that can bring you or someone else unstuck.

Steve

[darecki Sooky & Banned Find all posts View Profile Close darecki]

Some of you guys just made me sick of your whinging. Look, people may die while swim/surf/do rock fishing if they are not prepared/skilled to do so. Does it mean that no-one should, say, surf, because someone may see and try and if he's not prepared then may die? I thought this forum was all about sharing ideas.