Injector oil seals

[Kev7762 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Kev7762]

I'm hoping to prey on that customer service thing he was talking about and just get them to look, that and the fixed price service thing

Just another reason for this mob to make the list, see my post re the 2400 bogging issue, ended up going to auto cheap and buying my own inspection camera, won't fit in the sump plug hole but has an LED light that let me see the screen was clear.

[Graceilyons64 Lurker Find all posts View Profile Close Graceilyons64]

Here's some facts for you.
Benny, engine failure caused by blow by. Short engine installed : $18,000.00.
Sharon, injector failure causing piston failure : engine rebuild over $10,000.00.
John, injector failure, settled with Toyota Australia.
Bruce, injector failure and blow by. Short engine installed : $17,800.00 I rebuilt this engine. Settled with Toyota Australia.
Peter, injector failure taking out two pistons. number one completely melted. Short engine installed : $16,500.00, and I rebuilt this engine.
Woody, Blow by scarring the cylinder walls very badly and the injector failed in number 3 putting a hole in the piston. Because the sump screen was 90% blocked and starved everything of lubrication, this also took out the bushes in the turbo and stuffed the turbine shaft. Short engine installed and a new turbo assembly : $24,800.00.
Garry, injector failure causing a crack in number three piston. Short engine installed : $17,800.00, and I rebuilt this engine.
Dave, injector failure causing a hole in a piston. Short engine installed : $18,000.00. Insurance job.
Darren, injector failure leading to number one piston melting. Up to $15,000.00 and the job is not finished yet. Darren contacted me by PM the other day. I think it was number 1 that failed. Anyhow, an engine rebuild never the less.
Bill, my first customer with a hole in number 3 piston. That was a rebuild because I didn't know what I was doing. You should just put in a short engine and be done with it. A lot of the work was done by Wynnum Engines : 2008 price of $16,900.00. Sorry Bill, it's not much cheaper to get a short engine from Toyota Parts these days. Settled with Toyota Australia.
Look, there is so many of them since 2008 that I can't remember everyone. So I am sorry about that if I have left you off this list. There is at least another seven people that I have left off this list. I am only one person and in the industry there are a lot more people with similar lists to this list here. I could go on for at least another hour on all the failures that I know about.
All these vehicles as above had travelled less than 140,000 kms when the failures happened.

Hi all,

Just want to back-up the Roo's list, Sharon Replying here!

Just spoke to my Mechanical Engineer in Adelaide, latest quote to get my car fixed $14,000 - now this happened under 140,000K. My car always got serviced as per log book with a registered mechanic company.

This is not just a 'LEMON' its a common occurrence with the engine model. Not only did I have injector failure by I got a double whammy - Blow-by.

I must say in defence of the "ROO" he is a very caring individual who doesn't ask for anything in return, he goes out of his way to help others - because that's the kind of guy he is. Andrew if you havnt had these problems - FANTASTIC

[Graceilyons64 Lurker Find all posts View Profile Close Graceilyons64]

Here's some facts for you.
Benny, engine failure caused by blow by. Short engine installed : $18,000.00.
Sharon, injector failure causing piston failure : engine rebuild over $10,000.00.
John, injector failure, settled with Toyota Australia.
Bruce, injector failure and blow by. Short engine installed : $17,800.00 I rebuilt this engine. Settled with Toyota Australia.
Peter, injector failure taking out two pistons. number one completely melted. Short engine installed : $16,500.00, and I rebuilt this engine.
Woody, Blow by scarring the cylinder walls very badly and the injector failed in number 3 putting a hole in the piston. Because the sump screen was 90% blocked and starved everything of lubrication, this also took out the bushes in the turbo and stuffed the turbine shaft. Short engine installed and a new turbo assembly : $24,800.00.
Garry, injector failure causing a crack in number three piston. Short engine installed : $17,800.00, and I rebuilt this engine.
Dave, injector failure causing a hole in a piston. Short engine installed : $18,000.00. Insurance job.
Darren, injector failure leading to number one piston melting. Up to $15,000.00 and the job is not finished yet. Darren contacted me by PM the other day. I think it was number 1 that failed. Anyhow, an engine rebuild never the less.
Bill, my first customer with a hole in number 3 piston. That was a rebuild because I didn't know what I was doing. You should just put in a short engine and be done with it. A lot of the work was done by Wynnum Engines : 2008 price of $16,900.00. Sorry Bill, it's not much cheaper to get a short engine from Toyota Parts these days. Settled with Toyota Australia.
Look, there is so many of them since 2008 that I can't remember everyone. So I am sorry about that if I have left you off this list. There is at least another seven people that I have left off this list. I am only one person and in the industry there are a lot more people with similar lists to this list here. I could go on for at least another hour on all the failures that I know about.
All these vehicles as above had travelled less than 140,000 kms when the failures happened.

Hi all,

Just want to back-up the Roo's list, Sharon Replying here!

Just spoke to my Mechanical Engineer in Adelaide, latest quote to get my car fixed $14,000 - now this happened under 140,000K. My car always got serviced as per log book with a registered mechanic company.

This is not just a 'LEMON' its a common occurrence with the engine model. Not only did I have injector failure by I got a double whammy - Blow-by.

I must say in defence of the "ROO" he is a very caring individual who doesn't ask for anything in return, he goes out of his way to help others - because that's the kind of guy he is. Andrew if you haven't had these problems - FANTASTIC! But unfortunately we have. Come to think of it Andrew, I asked for your help, and got the feeling you weren't interested.

Think about this scenario -

If Toyota (Rob Marsh) is settling out of court, Why do you think this is so? Is it the fact that all hell will break lose if there is precedence? Can you imagine how many customers would then seek compensation? Isn't paying out of court, admission or is it simply saving face of perhaps a 'Bad reputation'? When I approached Mr Rob Marsh, I explained that I had a DVO against my X husband, do you know what his reply was? "By the way the dealership wants its loan car back by 5pm" Now there's someone who represents Toyota Australia - who shows very little compassion. His next words were " Do what you have to do". So when backed into a corner - I do what I have to do. So that means calling out for help, eating humble pie and accepting assistance when offered. The Roo and Skywalkerrun did this, and others on PP - so have a little compassion for those who can't afford to fix their car, who have been man handled by Toyota, and for those who have given up the fight because they have been bullied by Toyota. Have a little compassion for them, because those people who gave up were mislead by Toyota - they are not yet on that list the Roo's talking about.

Don't want to get in an argument - Just want you to see the picture.

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I forgot to write this yesterday.
If you look at that picture there closely, you will see the distorsion of the inner hole there, left hand side copper one. That's what causes the blow by problem. See how big the whole on the inside of that seat is on the left, the copper one compared to the new seat on the right. It's the distorsion of the seat that causes the problem.
This customer was very lucky, as you can see the black marks on that old seat was not very far from unsealing, very close. Note, I have seen the old seats in the 150 models, early models though. I lost six customers over checking and doing the right procedure because most dealerships were doing the orderable check for the valve clearances, with the ear. I had to charge for this service, as if you ask Toyota Service to do it the right way, they will as well.
It is my opinion that, if you want 500,000 kms plus out of these engines, you have to be prepared to do the checks on these seats and the injectors.
For the 120 owners like you Robert, and you Andrew, change out those bloody old seats ASAP. I am not going to go over to the 120 section just to write that. I am sure you can understand this. These are the weak points in these engines. Why do you think they have been redesigned so many times, injectors, and the seats coated. I do give Toyota in Japan, the engineers, full credit for trying to improve these components.
The Roo.

As you know John my 150 is a 2011. You said the early 150's had the old seals, what year was that? Hope your well mate.

[AJ120 Out of control poster! Find all posts View Profile Close AJ120]

Andrew if you haven't had these problems - FANTASTIC! But unfortunately we have. Come to think of it Andrew, I asked for your help, and got the feeling you weren't interested.

I would hate the facts to get in the way of a good story but here they are anyway. You asked me if I could point you in the direction of a good Diesel Mechaninc in Murray Bridge or Adelaide, Murray Bridge is 2 hours from me and Adelaide is 3 hours away. Unfortunately I dont know any mechanics in either, so I am not sure what you expect from me? Unfortunately I don't have the answers to every question. I will also send you a PM that might put a few things into perspective for you before you accuse me of being not interesting in helping you again.

As for the info you posted about your problems, whilst they are valid and this info may well be of great interest and use to many on this forum; once again you are talking about a 120 in 150 thread. This is an injector seal thread and the injectors in the 150 are 3 generations removed from yours and the seals are different. So posting your info in this thread, and there is no reference in your post to it being about a different model, only leads to confusion and misunderstanding.

Or as I see it "Forum Exageration" as people reading your post would rightly think this a 150 issue when it is not.

Cheers Andrew

[krypto Avid PP Poster! Find all posts View Profile Close krypto]

I recently drove a 2010 150 series, that my brother was looking at in a car yard, with about 70k on the clock that definitely had stuffed injectors or seal problems or both. Very noisy and lots of white smoke. Granted it looked like it had a hard life, but still 70k isn't a lot.

Having said that with all the info on this forum I'm not too worried, just something to keep an eye on. I haven't owned a car that didn't have some known weakness.

I don't see this thread as scare mongering, just people trying to understand and solve a potentially costly problem.

[AJ120 Out of control poster! Find all posts View Profile Close AJ120]

Your right Roo, I dont have any say in the direction a thread takes, but if I feel information that is wrong or misleading is being posted I have the right to comment on that and make it clear to others that it may be misleading or wrong. Thats what makes a forum work, many people offering an opinion, others questioning that opinion and people drawing conclusions from all the info posted. Its not about hurling abuse at anyone who disagrees with your point of view to intimidate them into no longer posting on the subject.

As for my negative comments in AMTS post, you might want to send me a link to that as I have no idea what you are talking about.

Cheers Andrew

[krypto Avid PP Poster! Find all posts View Profile Close krypto]

Your right Roo, I dont have any say in the direction a thread takes, but if I feel information that is wrong or misleading is being posted I have the right to comment on that and make it clear to others that it may be misleading or wrong. Thats what makes a forum work, many people offering an opinion, others questioning that opinion and people drawing conclusions from all the info posted. Its not about hurling abuse at anyone who disagrees with your point of view to intimidate them into no longer posting on the subject.

As for my negative comments in AMTS post, you might want to send me a link to that as I have no idea what you are talking about.

Cheers Andrew

Andrew, others are also entitled to different opinions and they may not always be the same as yours.

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This has gotten past the point of ridiculous, I will send you a PM Roo.

Cheers Andrew

[Matty80 Avid PP Poster! Find all posts View Profile Close Matty80]

As Andrew pointed out, this is a 150 thread regarding injector seals, not a 120 series thread for injector failure.
I'm not sure that a continued public display of this sort will be lightly dealt with.

Sort yourselves out with PMs.

Get this back on topic, or I will close it indefinitely.

[outback7 Banned Find all posts View Profile Close outback7]

As Andrew pointed out, this is a 150 thread regarding injector seals, not a 120 series thread for injector failure.
I'm not sure that a continued public display of this sort will be lightly dealt with.

Sort yourselves out with PMs.

Get this back on topic, or I will close it indefinitely.

Because this has gone on in the public forum I suggest the closure of this between these two gentleman should be done on this forum. IMO.

[M3R Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close M3R]

Because this has gone on in the public forum I suggest the closure of this between these two gentleman should be done on this forum. IMO.

Hell no. Enough already.

[outback7 Banned Find all posts View Profile Close outback7]

Hell no. Enough already.

I am still laughing at your response.....I think your right though.

[Foxy48 Member Find all posts View Profile Close Foxy48]

Hi, People I have been away for awhile and man things have been popping .Isn't so good we can have different opinions and yet basically talk about the same thing , I have respect for both individuals here and I value their opinions as both have helped me make up my mind about several things .I have added a trans cooler and bypass oil filter as well as a oil catch can also I religiously do a 5K oil and filter every 5K ,My local dealer had a peek at my pickup at 50K and found it to clean as a whistle .My catch can has very little muck in it as I believe doing the oil changes which Roo has recommended and the bypass filter takes it all anyway . Yes we may not all agree always and that can be a good thing, just be men about it and move on. Take care guys as I have said I value the input you guys put in and I'm sure others do to Cheers Foxy

[SimpleSi Member Find all posts View Profile Close SimpleSi]

Help me out. Possibly a bit of a rattle coming out of my 2010 GXL this morning. Warranty runs out in 2.5 weeks, and I have it's three year service in 2 weeks. What do I need to get them to check to put my mind at ease. I may just be hearing things, but I think there is a bit of a rattle in the mornings noticeable at slow speeds.