DPF and white smoke

[prodoco]

I found this DIY link very helpful. A guy post a 1GD-FTV DPF step by step cleaning tutorial video on Youtube. He sprayed DPF cleaner thru first temp sensor hole and manual DPF burned after . We may need to do this at some stage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiCvqnsAD0w

[prodoco]

I found this DIY link very helpful. A guy post a 1GD-FTV DPF step by step cleaning tutorial video on Youtube. He sprayed DPF cleaner thru first temp sensor hole and manual DPF burned after . We may need to do this at some stage.

[rpn]

Saw first hand the DPF smoke issue when I was following a Hilux last week.....they really do throw out a lot of white/greyish smoke. Certainly can't miss it!

[mjrandom]

Y62 is amazing value for money. I know a couple of people who bought them. Same comments pretty much as yours. Neither l'ove' them, size, looks etc but at the end of the day nothing came close to the bang for buck.

[CamJam]

Hello cam jam,
sooooo...out of great interest. What car did you get?.... I and others would be interested then in your comparison, apart from the major issues you had ....how does your new car compare to the Prado?
love to hear the pros and cons

best wishes with new car

G'day Brogers. The requirement for petrol narrowed the search considerably - Y62 Patrol V8, LC200 V8... and that's about it. If I didn't need the 6th/7th seat - then I would have looked at Jeeps as well. I was purposely steering clear of naming the car/ hijacking as this is a Prado forum. But since you asked so nicely ;

For $68K drive away I got a Patrol Ti. That's only a little bit more than the price I paid for the Prado - but it comes with leather (I hate leather, it's got sheepskin on now ), DVD, Satnav with free updates, sunroof, 33" tyres, a V8... you get the picture. It's got a lot. It's a very similar spec to the LC200VX I owned before the Prado (went Prado as it's got a payload of 780-odd Kg's versus my LC200 at 610Kgs - Patrol has 785Kg). More importantly (for me) is what it doesn't have - DPF, Turbo, EGR, AdBlue etc. Just 8 cylinders putting out 298Kw and 560Nm.

What I miss that it does not have but the Prado does have;
1. Range. 150L tank in the Prado got me 1300km touring as I had it set up. 140L tank in the Patrol gets me 950Km in the Patrol as it's set up (similar, but a little more sh*t on the Patrol).
2. The really, really well thought out 4WD things in the Prado. Space for a spare battery already made (I had an air compressor in there), side swinging door, clip on/off panels etc, 17" wheels
3. Size. The Patrol is enormous. Surround camera's tend to help, but I don't trust them. Prado was a sweet spot in size for me. This Patrol, with a Front Runner + awning, is now 2.05m tall - without any lift and the standard 33" tyres.
4. Flat folding 6/7 seats. I get a lot take them out - but I need them. The Patrol's go up at an Angle towards the back, which is annoying.
5. Accessories. It's a no-brainer with the Prado, you know what you want and you can compare multiple different sellers to get a best price. In Aus, there's one group who do Recovery points for the Patrol (Road Safe is now about to become a second), and one mob that does a lift - because it's got HBMC suspension (like KDSS I guess, but different).
6. Spring/ Shocks. I never rated KDSS, and the HMBC on the Patrol, while excellent, narrows the field too much on after-market lifts or adjustments. But you cannot get the Patrol with just Shocks/Springs.
7. The Forum. This forum is one of the best out there, full of awesome knowledge and peeps all wanting to help. I've found it great (and obviously keep coming back). The Patrol ones often focus on power/ V8/ Hooning etc (there's even people asking about lowering the damn things on there!) and the like. There's a fair amount of small Dk syndrome on it too - some's just anti-Toyota good ol' banter, but some you can tell people take things way to seriously.
8. 17" wheels. The brake callipers are too big for a backwards compatible wheel on the Patrol for all bar one specific set of steel wheels from the US.

What I rate above the Prado with the Patrol
1. Power/ Torque. I don't need to wait behind caravans or truck for that 1 - 2km stretch of clear road. I can just floor it past and continue on my merry way.
2. Room. This thing is like a lounge in the back seat. And with the 6/7/8 seats used, I have space for 2 x 50L Engels and a box/bag of recovery gear. In the Prado, behind those seats, you couldn't put much. Perhaps a towel.
3. Ride/ Handling. It drives beautifully, is flat in the corners, and the wheel travel of the HBMC is far greater than what I thought IRS would do. As one wheel raises, HBMC pushes the other one down (similar to solid axle) without the diff needing to be so low as in solids...
4. Interior. It came out at $92K+ inroads when introduced - and the interior was made to suit. Then they dropped it to where it is now, at $72K+ORC (don't pay this) but have actually added gear to it (TPMS, sunroof and the like). I bought it for $68K drive away - a pretty standard going rate.
5. Towing. We're looking at getting a 2.4T camper van - yes the Prado would take it (even before the magical upgrade of the new one), but you'd bloody well feel it. Not so much in the Y62.

Now - the question everyone asks. Fuel. The driving I do hasn't changed really from my 200VX (where I got around 13.3L/100 - low thirteens anyway - memory's a little hazy), my Prado (11.4L/100) and now onto the Patrol (14.8L/100). I bought the car not believing the fuel that everyone was getting - so I budgeted for around 18L/100 - so you can see I am pretty happy. And yes, I behave a little silly every now and then with the V8 - but other than that I am just driving as I would the other cars. So I budgeted for 5L/100 kilometres more, and I now do 30,000km a year or thereabouts - so 1500L. That was going to cost me $2600 per year more than the Prado. Yes, Atherton, if you read this far that's a true reading of my fuel! Like I say though - I'd still be happy if it were up around the 18/100 mark.

For all the benefits, I'd take that in a heartbeat again, and think I should have done it sooner. All I would add is don't discount petrol over diesel. It MAY be to your detriment.

[brogers]

Well, it was at the 14 month mark and 42,000km's I lost faith. Ordered a different brand and could not be happier. I'd had a total of nearly two months off the road by then - and as you say, that's your time and your money. There's a limit as to how much you can take from what is supposedly a brand that bangs on about it's reliability all the time. The only reason I went to 18 months and >60,000km's is because the new car took just over 4 months to order.

Do tell please ...love to hear abt he's car and how it compares etc

[brogers]

Hello cam jam,
sooooo...out of great interest. What car did you get?.... I and others would be interested then in your comparison, apart from the major issues you had ....how does your new car compare to the Prado?
love to hear the pros and cons

best wishes with new car

[brogers]

Hello cam jam,
sooooo...out of great interest. What car did you get?.... I and others would be interested then in your comparison, apart from the major issues you had ....how does your new car compare to the Prado?
love to hear the pros and cons

best wishes with new car

[2016VX]

I apologise if this has been posted already, but have you seen this video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaW1XFxgrOM

This guys talks a bit of crap, but it's an interesting video to watch.

[CamJam]

14 months and 38,000km later, Prado blowing white smoke due to a blocked DPF. No reasonable person expects a new vehicle to be in a workshop for days at a time to remedy multiple faults. I've lost days on the road due to vehicle issues and lack of support.

I've lost all faith in this brand, never again.

Well, it was at the 14 month mark and 42,000km's I lost faith. Ordered a different brand and could not be happier. I'd had a total of nearly two months off the road by then - and as you say, that's your time and your money. There's a limit as to how much you can take from what is supposedly a brand that bangs on about it's reliability all the time. The only reason I went to 18 months and >60,000km's is because the new car took just over 4 months to order.

[gazzasa]

I share your pain, it almost seems a case of it's not 'if" but "when" the DPF will fail. It will be interesting if they put a manual burn button into your car.

Oh the irony, I traded a 05 LR discovery which I had done over 200,000km with only a couple minor issues, namely the 3 amigos and perished rear air bags at around 150,000km of fault free, stress free driving and touring this great land. People bang on about is brand but I'm really not feeling it...

[Micko2005]

I share your pain, it almost seems a case of it's not 'if" but "when" the DPF will fail. It will be interesting if they put a manual burn button into your car.

[gazzasa]

14 months and 38,000km later, Prado blowing white smoke due to a blocked DPF. No reasonable person expects a new vehicle to be in a workshop for days at a time to remedy multiple faults. I've lost days on the road due to vehicle issues and lack of support.

I've lost all faith in this brand, never again.

[LeadWings]

Asked my service manager about the 2 DPF burns:

"Two is standard practice, the first one is a manual regeneration with cleaner, and the second is an forced auto regeneration to simulate on-road driving and the second one is where we measure the difference in temperature sensors to judge the condition of the catalyst. If it’s different by +/- 20 degrees, that one goes in the bin and it gets a new one put on. If it’s clogged, we do another two, one to clean and another one to judge the condition after a second clean. Being recently replaced, the difference in your vehicle was three degrees after the first test, so she’s all happy inside there. Hopefully no more issues and better fuel consumption too!"

Note I haven't had my DPF replaced, he got me confused with someone else's car. But looks like mine is OK and the regens have been working (I'm currently at 30,000 km and a lot of that is highway kms). Also interesting they measure temp and not DPF differential pressure (or maybe they measure both and he just didn't mention it)

Must admit overall I've been impressed by the service/response I have been getting - I think Toyota have been playing it quite up till now, much to the frustration of both the service people and we in the public after info. Hopefully they will be more open going forward. And the new code has it sorted.

[LeadWings]

I have no way of testing the difference - while I can see the differential pressure across the DPF, it is so variable based on speed, power etc I can't see if these is a difference post it being in the shop and the 2 burns. I have asked the service manager why they had to do two regens, Will post if I get a reply.

Only thing I will be able to tell is if the regen temps at 110 kph are high enough and how long a regen takes. That probably won't be till end August when I have a long trip planned.