NEW PRADO coming? Next year? 2015?

[r4ndll Avid PP Poster! Find all posts View Profile Close r4ndll]

same rear as mine, door swings and glass opens up.

Sheesh - my 5'1" wife would love that! She'd never be able to use the glass, she'd never reach anything.

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Opening back window is a step forward. Easy quick access and you don't need the length of the barn door behind you every time access is required.

Spare off the door means no more droopy door or cracked hinges.

There's other ways of achieving this but Toyota have taken the cheapest option available.

[blkd4d Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close blkd4d]

So with that model you lose the extra tank and gain nothing.......pointless really as who cares about the glass opening?

Regarding engine change, spoke to a dealer a while back and he stated that engines go through a 10 year cycle with Toyota so given the 3ltr D4D came about in 2006 the new engine is due 2016. Also rumoured to be a Hino design (not sure whether to believe that though) and while they are at it they should shove in a 6 speed auto as well!!!!

2006, the d4d was released in 2000 in other country's or are they trying to get ten year service in OZ

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Also rumoured to be a Hino design (not sure whether to believe that though)

All Land Cruisers (200/150 and FJ Cruiser) built in Japan are assembled in the Hino plant in Hamura (Hino being part of Toyota).

BMW might be an engine source also as Toyota have signed an agreement with them to supply diesel engines for other vehicles.

Mick

[AussieAndy Find all posts View Profile Close AussieAndy]

So with that model you lose the extra tank and gain nothing.......pointless really as who cares about the glass opening?

Regarding engine change, spoke to a dealer a while back and he stated that engines go through a 10 year cycle with Toyota so given the 3ltr D4D came about in 2006 the new engine is due 2016. Also rumoured to be a Hino design (not sure whether to believe that though) and while they are at it they should shove in a 6 speed auto as well!!!!

As far as Toyota changing the engine ever ten years, we first saw the mighty 1hz in the 80 series landcruiser late 1989, the last 1hz was in the 100 series in 2007, that's 18 years by my count with the only major change being an egr system.

[Matt Hannas Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Matt Hannas]

Wouldn't putting a V6 or V8 into the Prado eat into Toyotas own 200 marketshare?

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Yes agreed however, a more fuel efficient diesel/turbo diesel engine would be the pick of upgrades.

2016 suits me fine as by them the lease on my current car will be up and I can get a brand new model

SAM

Who'd want the first few years of a new engine? If a V6 diesel comes, it will sound great, but then the problems will happen. Then they'll revise it (as they did the current motor in I think 2007/8) and it will be much better.

Concerning 200 fuel economy - ignoring towing, it seems to me the petrol Prado would get the same fuel economy as the 200 diesel. And the 4 litre is smooth, quiet and powerful. Hmm

[MelbournePark Member Find all posts View Profile Close MelbournePark]

Wouldn't putting a V6 or V8 into the Prado eat into Toyotas own 200 marketshare?

It would be fabulous but the problem is Toyota would sell it for a very high price.

As an example: why don't Toyota Australia put the 3 litre D4D into the FJ cruiser? They do overseas. Lots of people buy Hiluxes for towing, and Prados for towing. For two people, a diesel FJ would be fabulous and good value. But Toyota make more money from the Prado. Which is why I presume, the top Hi-Lux is close to $50k (also why lots of people are buying Mazda BT-50s instead). Because Toyo want to protect the Prado profits.

So a V8 diesel 150 would cost more than a VX 200 IMO. And they'd probably sell like hot cakes.

Then again: The Nissan Navara trady vehicle, has a 3 lite V6 with 170kWs and 550Nm of torque.

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A v8 diesel would be a challenge fitting in the engine bay of a 150. I bet they would have to widen the front track just as they did on the 76 series with the v8 diesel.

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Dealer told me new hilux and prado in 2016 with new Diesel engines.

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A v8 diesel would be a challenge fitting in the engine bay of a 150. I bet they would have to widen the front track just as they did on the 76 series with the v8 diesel.

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Both the V8 petrol and diesel fit in the 200. The Prado fits a 4 cylinder, which is longer than a v6 engine. And the petrol V8 fits in the Prado in the USA - the GX-460.

I doubt the issues would be size. Rather, it would be the extra weight, and the cost of all that.

Toyota could twin turbo the current 4 cylinder motor too. Imagine a twin turbo with variable vein 3 litre 4 cylinder, with alloy bonnet, doors and rear door. Use better steel here and their, and cut the weight down 200kg. Add 20% torque and power. It would be quite a bit faster, and more economical.

But it would cost more ... maybe 15% more to build. I doubt Toyota would get the financial reward from doing all that.

IMO the Prado is not cheap to build, because of the chassis. They try to build it as cheaply as they can. The 150 GLX is IMO a good kit, and at 1% finance for $60k for an auto diesel its goods value. Add 15% though and that blows out to $70k, plus extra for luxury car taxes. So one would pay maybe $73 for a vehicle Toyota would not make more money on, in a market where there is only one other chassis vehicle - the IZuzu Holden. Blowing the cost further, would encourage that Holden/Izuzu in the market place.

And lots of diesel Prados tow - and a Prado weighing 200kg less would not tow that much better ... a better engine would for sure, but if people really have big rigs to tow, the 200 is obvious.

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Both the V8 petrol and diesel fit in the 200. The Prado fits a 4 cylinder, which is longer than a v6 engine. And the petrol V8 fits in the Prado in the USA - the GX-460.

I doubt the issues would be size. Rather, it would be the extra weight, and the cost of all that.

Toyota could twin turbo the current 4 cylinder motor too. Imagine a twin turbo with variable vein 3 litre 4 cylinder, with alloy bonnet, doors and rear door. Use better steel here and their, and cut the weight down 200kg. Add 20% torque and power. It would be quite a bit faster, and more economical.

But it would cost more ... maybe 15% more to build. I doubt Toyota would get the financial reward from doing all that.

IMO the Prado is not cheap to build, because of the chassis. They try to build it as cheaply as they can. The 150 GLX is IMO a good kit, and at 1% finance for $60k for an auto diesel its goods value. Add 15% though and that blows out to $70k, plus extra for luxury car taxes. So one would pay maybe $73 for a vehicle Toyota would not make more money on, in a market where there is only one other chassis vehicle - the IZuzu Holden. Blowing the cost further, would encourage that Holden/Izuzu in the market place.

And lots of diesel Prados tow - and a Prado weighing 200kg less would not tow that much better ... a better engine would for sure, but if people really have big rigs to tow, the 200 is obvious.

The twin turbo unit will not fit, the exhaust headers and turbos are huge and sit at the bottom on both left and right, then you have to plump all that up to an intercooler and back to the engine. It won't fit the Prados little engine bay. The 4L V8 in the states is pretty small.

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The twin turbo unit will not fit, the exhaust headers and turbos are huge and sit at the bottom on both left and right, then you have to plump all that up to an intercooler and back to the engine. It won't fit the Prados little engine bay. The 4L V8 in the states is pretty small.

Exactly. That is why they had to widen the track on the 70 series for the v8 diesel.They couldn't fit it in otherwise.
(pity they didn't widen the rear track to match the front track lol)
The 150 is narrower in the engine bay than the 200 as well so that wouldn't work ( for the current 200 or 70 series v8 anyway) as Symo pointed out

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They won't have v8 Prados in australia as it will take sales away from the 200 series. Same reason why they don't bring in the 5.0 v8 FJ according to the dealers.

[Symo Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close Symo]

Just take a look at how well the V8 Patrol is selling (or isn't) and also look at the V8 Petrol LC200, only 5% of sales are petrol in Toyota's lineup now. The new Prado doesn't need a vV6 TD, the 3L 4cyl would be fine, but torque would need to rise to near 500nm. The refinement is already there, just an improvement would be needed and maybe a 6-speed auto. The only reason toyota would upgrade to a major engine like a TDv6 would be to justify the premium price compared to a Grand Cherokee and other top model utes.