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  • #16
    I have got TJM Gold 50mm lift and find it doesn't seem to change the ride quality at all and I tow a 16.5ft caravan without any sagging at the back.

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    • #17
      OME BP-51. Has performed well in all situations.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by maulbeagle View Post
        Hi everyone,
        I've searched but haven't found anything similar. Sorry if I've missed it.

        I'm looking to increase the ride height of my 2014 150 GXL V6. It currently has factory suspension.
        The vehicle has a TJM steel bar, dual batteries, brush bars, 4mm underbody protection plates, no winch yet but planned for future.
        I get stuck in sand way too easily. Looking at the sand after recovery shows the bash plates etc under the center of the car dragging.

        I don't want to spend a fortune if I can avoid it, but do want something decent so I don't have issues. I don't want massive lift, I guess 50mm is the standard ? Still running factory tyres, will be replaced soon, probably with MT ATZ P3's around the same size.

        Main uses for the car (apart from on-road daily driving) are touring, not massive on off road stuff but will be moving up north to Karratha for a couple of years in the next couple of months. We will be driving up there so looking forward to that 1600 km trip ! Like to go on sand for fishing, camping etc. Not huge on mud.
        We also tow a camper van when we go away, which currently sees the rear of the car droop.

        Any recommendations ? Also installers in the Perth area ?

        Thanks !
        Hey,

        Those WA beaches are soft and mushy, particularly after winter storms, the beaches there can be super soft with dangerous high tide drop offs. I've seen lifted 4wd's bogged just as easily as factory setups. Been there, done that, got the sticker!

        Your best bet is a 2" lift, there's no point lifting higher as you just loose droop after 2".

        As you do mostly touring and tow, your best bang for buck will be Bilsteins/Dobinsons, and I would be looking at as much suspension travel as you can get. For keeping close to the factory IFS setup (high rebound/very stiff coils) on the 150, I would look at a 24-173032/C59-352 combo on the front, with a 24-217897/C59-327/airbag setup on the rear. The airbags will help you level the rear, which will always be sagging under load in the Prados.

        As you're in Canning Vale, give the guys at Platinum Automotives a call, they know their way around a Prado.

        Regarding some of the other suspension options mentioned in this thread; the TJM setup tends to use close to OEM strut lengths on the front and lift by using spacers, and I've seen front TJM Prado setups with limited droop. Same deal for BP-51, they are short travel, and you'll have limited droop in a lifted geometry. You'll also need a second mortgage to pay for BP-51 suspension, just not worth the money in my opinion due to the limited travel.

        Watch out for those mushy WA drop offs, and good luck with your first after market suspension setup on the 150!

        Best

        Mark
        2006 GXL petrol auto. ARB deluxe bar x3 HID IPF's, ARB alloy roofrack, ARB awning, BFG A/T, Safari snorkel, Piranha breathers, Pacemaker extractors, custom Ironman 45710FE 436-569mm with Dobinsons 350, custom Ironman 45682FE 383-618mm with Dobinsons 487, Firestone kevlar 60psi airbags, 30mm extended Roadsafe links, AMTS bashplate and recovery points, ABR Flyer with Powersonic AGM.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by amts View Post
          Pedders have a reputation for recommending unneeded work done.
          I second that motion!
          Whitey
          Shockie Maker of the Month Award
          Last edited by Whitey; 05-07-2016, 04:22 PM.
          2006 GXL petrol auto. ARB deluxe bar x3 HID IPF's, ARB alloy roofrack, ARB awning, BFG A/T, Safari snorkel, Piranha breathers, Pacemaker extractors, custom Ironman 45710FE 436-569mm with Dobinsons 350, custom Ironman 45682FE 383-618mm with Dobinsons 487, Firestone kevlar 60psi airbags, 30mm extended Roadsafe links, AMTS bashplate and recovery points, ABR Flyer with Powersonic AGM.

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          • #20
            Wow, great detailed reply Mark. Thanks for that.
            I'll call Platinum Automotives. Have you dealt with them before ?

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            • #21
              Originally posted by maulbeagle View Post
              Wow, great detailed reply Mark. Thanks for that.
              I'll call Platinum Automotives. Have you dealt with them before ?
              Hey,

              I lived nearby for a while, and I have dealt with them before, they are great mechanics and know Prados well! ...I'm not sure who is a local distributor for Bilsteins though...give Quadrant Suspension a call in Melbourne, they'll sort it for you!

              Best

              Mark
              2006 GXL petrol auto. ARB deluxe bar x3 HID IPF's, ARB alloy roofrack, ARB awning, BFG A/T, Safari snorkel, Piranha breathers, Pacemaker extractors, custom Ironman 45710FE 436-569mm with Dobinsons 350, custom Ironman 45682FE 383-618mm with Dobinsons 487, Firestone kevlar 60psi airbags, 30mm extended Roadsafe links, AMTS bashplate and recovery points, ABR Flyer with Powersonic AGM.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Black150 View Post
                OME BP-51. Has performed well in all situations.
                I second that
                White 150 GX, TJM t13, TJM scrub bars steps, TJM underbelly protection, Kaymar rear bar, matt black speedy avalanches with mickey T ATZ' P3s, ARB BP 51 suspension, Heat exchange shower, Safari snorkel, on board air tank, custom rear drawers, wind cheeta rack, custom maxtrax mounts, in dash ozi explorer, cargo barrier and more!

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                • #23
                  just put the Dobbinsons MRR on. with their springs
                  very happy so far
                  on and off road is great

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                  • #24
                    So is the general consensus that the best way to go is to import/purchase the suspension components then take them to a reputable mechanic for fitting, rather than do the whole lot through a suspension shop ?

                    Mark, you mentioned 24-173032, did you mean 24-173032-1 ?
                    According to the Bilstein catalogue, the 24-173032 is the STD (+20mm), the 24-173032-1 is the L/T (+50mm).
                    Also, being a V6, should I get the C59-302 instead of C59-352 ?
                    maulbeagle
                    Senior Member
                    Last edited by maulbeagle; 23-06-2016, 11:24 AM.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by maulbeagle View Post
                      So is the general consensus that the best way to go is to import/purchase the suspension components then take them to a reputable mechanic for fitting, rather than do the whole lot through a suspension shop ?

                      Mark, you mentioned 24-173032, did you mean 24-173032-1 ?
                      According to the Bilstein catalogue, the 24-173032 is the STD (+20mm), the 24-173032-1 is the L/T (+50mm).
                      Also, being a V6, should I get the C59-302 instead of C59-352 ?
                      Hey,

                      Yep, the -1 is the long travel version, that's the one you want if you plan on lifting!

                      I would guess the 352 is prolly better for you considering the heavy front end you'll have, you might get away with a 350. The 302 is a 120 spec coil, much softer than the 350 or the 352 which are 150 spec. The 24-173032 strut is high rebound, matched to high rate 150 coils. You can run it with a softer coil, I know some who do this, it will give a more stiff feeling on road, but still gives awesome off road performance.

                      Take a squiz at the suspension database here to see the difference between 120 and 150 coils;

                      http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread...nsion-Database

                      Also take a look here to see the kind of lifts reported for 150's;

                      http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread...il-free-length

                      Regarding fitting, I would say you can get good and bad experiences at mechanics or suspension shops. Depends on the experience and knowledge of the fitter/mechanic.

                      Just make sure you insist on any bushes being done up at ride height with the new suspension bounced and at ride height with wheels on the ground. I have seen fitters do bushes up with cars on the hoist so many times I've lost count. Too much she'll be right attitude.

                      Alternatively, consider DIY, it will familiarise you with the suspension, and it's always good to know how to swap in a strut if you are stuck in a remote location and a bad failure has occurred. It happens!

                      See here for a DIY step by step guide. Some basic tools and you can do this yourself at home;

                      http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread...ade-for-Grande

                      Don't be afraid to try it yourself, rip into it!

                      Best

                      Mark
                      2006 GXL petrol auto. ARB deluxe bar x3 HID IPF's, ARB alloy roofrack, ARB awning, BFG A/T, Safari snorkel, Piranha breathers, Pacemaker extractors, custom Ironman 45710FE 436-569mm with Dobinsons 350, custom Ironman 45682FE 383-618mm with Dobinsons 487, Firestone kevlar 60psi airbags, 30mm extended Roadsafe links, AMTS bashplate and recovery points, ABR Flyer with Powersonic AGM.

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                      • #26
                        I just got off the phone with Malaga Suspensions (got their details from Quadrant as the local importer).
                        They reckon that C59-302 is definitely the way to go with a 150 V6, and C59-325 for the back as I'm not usually carrying a load.
                        Plus Firestone airbags.
                        Shocks they agree with 24-173032-1 and 24-217897.
                        Is it possible there's some wrong info regarding the C59-302 being a 120 spring ?
                        Please don't take offense, I know nothing about suspension and have to rely on what I'm told !

                        Thanks again Mark for your help.

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                        • #27
                          Hey,

                          Nothing wrong, C59-302 is a 120 coil, 586lb/in, 395mm free height. Some will run 120 spec coils in the 150 IFS, however, it has been known to trigger the VSC in unusual circumstances. I would stick to a 350 or a 352. Give John at Zordos Suspension a call in Brisbane, he has fitted a ton of 150's with Dobinsons coils, and he is a Bilstein distributor.

                          The suspension database has all the details anyone needs;

                          http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread...nsion-Database

                          The 327 is by far the most popular rear coil fitted to both 120 and 150 Prados. Only a minor percentage fit 325 or 329, and out of that minor percentage it will be mostly 329.

                          The 325 is in my opinion far too soft for the Prado rear, and with a high rate 150 spec coil the front:rear suspension frequency ratio will never get better than 1:1, and you will get strong vehicle pitch off road when driving over undulations which are wheelbase apart in length. The struts/shocks will struggle to cycle out this kind of pitch. Been there in the pitch boat before, got a sticker for that as well!

                          My advice for coils is 350/327 or 352/327, John will probably tell you the same thing, but he may have more accurate advice about the front coil depending on your weight.

                          Best

                          Mark
                          2006 GXL petrol auto. ARB deluxe bar x3 HID IPF's, ARB alloy roofrack, ARB awning, BFG A/T, Safari snorkel, Piranha breathers, Pacemaker extractors, custom Ironman 45710FE 436-569mm with Dobinsons 350, custom Ironman 45682FE 383-618mm with Dobinsons 487, Firestone kevlar 60psi airbags, 30mm extended Roadsafe links, AMTS bashplate and recovery points, ABR Flyer with Powersonic AGM.

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                          • #28
                            Hi mate.
                            Yes go with the 24-173032-1 & the 302 with the V6
                            24-217897 for the rear shock & make sure you get stone guards
                            Cheers
                            4WD SUSPENSION & BODYLIFTS 0418780611 A/H PH/FAX 07 33512692- [COLOR=#ff0000][SIZE=5]Bilstein, Ironman & Roadsafe Distributor [/SIZE][/COLOR]

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                            • #29
                              Thanks Zordo. How about the rear springs, what do you recommend there ?

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by maulbeagle View Post
                                Thanks Zordo. How about the rear springs, what do you recommend there ?
                                Hi mate.
                                Just reread your first post.
                                Go with C59-352 & C59-327 coils & depending on the towball weight you may need airbags.
                                Be aware the 24-173032-1 only has one useable groove.
                                When I sell these shocks I supply them with 3 extra grooves.

                                Prado suspensions is pretty easy to install yourself. There is thread in the 120 section & I offer day or night phone support for my customers.
                                Cheers
                                4WD SUSPENSION & BODYLIFTS 0418780611 A/H PH/FAX 07 33512692- [COLOR=#ff0000][SIZE=5]Bilstein, Ironman & Roadsafe Distributor [/SIZE][/COLOR]

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