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Just went to arb . The guy was no hope what so ever, went to toyota just to see if they had anything for a 90 nope. Went to tjm they have a guy that makes them for them. But the guy said ones for a 100 series would fit a 90 so we took them out and compared WRONG anyway they had the standard hook shaped ones there made from ox and the whole look to line up . this is to mount to the chassis rail original holes . I have an arb steel bar on and the same mounting whole that go verticaly into the chassis . not the horizontal ones like in the pics that darnex posted now just have to find some grade 8 fine thread i think there 10 maybe 12 mm bolts to suit

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Just went to arb . The guy was no hope what so ever

Given you are in Geelong, I would suggest a visit to Darren from Auto-Craft. He should be able to sort you out or at least point in the right direction.

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cheers will looking him up. will try the bolt cupboard at work tomorrow first haha . also got a recovery point for my tow bar tried to slip the tow bar out and found under neath alitlle bolt i guess it stops the tow bar rattleing , well as per standard working on a motor vehicle something has to go south i take it it hasnt been removed in a long time and bolt snapped now the fun part truing to easy out the bolt. I dont have the right size so hope i can borrow one from someone at work

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Hey guys,

I'm in the process of adding additional points to mine. For reference the original bolts are high tensile M12 1.25 (80mm long), and you'll need to get them from a fasteners shop.

I picked up a 4.5T recovery point from Repco, and the result looks exactly the same as the photos from Rainman and RogueAussie:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=10608#p137715
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=10608&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=20# p137789

I haven't seen a sideways setup like Danrex, and to be honest, I wouldn't want to use it:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=10608&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=40# p138834

Ghost, what's your setup and what do you need? (I've been planning to drop by Lukey's one day... I want more lift)

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Hey mate, I have the same setup as Michael, the problem we are both having is to try and fit a standard recovery hook to the chasis instead of the bull bar mount is not possible with our current factory bull bar mounts, we have a plate of steel that goes infront if those chasis bolts, it would be great if I lived closer just to drop it in.

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Hey Ghost,

Ok I see the problem. Mine's quite different, so me going to Lukey's won't help.

I definitely wouldn't cut/modify that bracket for the purpose of sideways-mounting a hook. The anchor point will end up too far out to the side, creating leaverage. Danrex's photo's proves this.

Obviously you can't mount a standard hook because the bracket goes across the front, blocking the way for the hook. Also, you can't lower the hook with spacers because this would again, cause leverage.

I think you have the following options:

* Bridle on 2x loops carefully, always dig or remove obstructions, keep the pulls straight, and go easy. Using the existing loops will be safer than a sideways-mounted hook, in my opinion.

* Get the brackets replaced with an improved design, or have the existing ones reinforced (the result being; stronger mounting face and loops).

* Replace the entire bar, which will have different brackets, and then use standard hooks.

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Looking at Danrex's photos I think it has moved on the bolts and that has bent the "upright" portion of the bracket.
As Glen_ep has said that extra hook has created extra leverage and changed slightly the direction of pull.

I don't have that hook, plus I attach lower and in line with the chassis on a long bridle (or none at all) and as yet have not bent, twisted or moved the mount.
Maybe I don't get well enough stuck :lol:

As I see it, to change the Bullbar mount to allow a "traditional" style recovery hook that raises the issue of in my case of having Airbag compatable Bullar mounts.
I don't see any aftermarket brackets etc for an existing bullbar being Airbag compatable (obviously the mounts for ARB, TJM etc bars are).
Therefore any recovery points would have to fit in with the existing brackets/mounts for those of us with SRS Airbags ... back to square one I think :roll:

As has been said, dig first, straight pull, long bridle (maybe lol) and finally pray !

Anyway as long as nothing shears and becomes a missile it just means we are having fun :twisted: and if its gets severely bent, then that means time to upgrade to a new bar and associated recovery points :idea:

Lee

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Hi g uys just alittle more of an update , I dont have the problem you guys do as my arb bar uses the chassis mounts and there for i have just got some longer bolts and which as was quoted before are m12 1.25 fine thread. I found the ones that came with the recovery hooks werent fine thread and also they where grade 4 bolts . So I went and got grade 8 bolts which cost me $20 for four bolts :S anyway its good to have the piece of mind. hope you guys can come up with a solution. Might have to get the bolt hole drilled surely putting extra bolts threw your bull bar to chassis has got to make it stronger. Unless there is not much steel left either side of where you have to make the holes

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Let's see if I've got this right. The hooks that came with my 1997 Prado, one front & one rear, aren't rated but many have used them for snatching without problem. Question, even though the hooks aren't rated are the bolts holding them high tensile? Are the bolts which held the tie downs HT? For the sake of safety I should replace the factory hooks with properly rated ones?

ken

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The bolts are HT, however, if you read your manual, it says the factory hooks are for tie down purposes only. Personally, I don't give two hoots what other members do when they are out and about .... unless .... they are traveling with me. For MY safety, I won't recover off the factory tie down hooks or tow ball. I also don't want to be the one who is patching up someone who has just been zapped by a flying hook or shackle. Rated recovery points aren't expensive and for piece of mind I don't think it's too much to ask of ones self to get it done.

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Ken,

Unfortunately on the 90 series there is several different hooks and bullbar mounts. :?
On some of the genuine Bullbar mounts there is what appears to be an integrated recovery point, because of these mounts you cannot fit an aftermarket "rated" recovery point without removing or modifying the bullbar mount which in turn creates other issues. As I understand it these "Genuine" bullbars were made locally (by ECB I think) and therefore I doubt if the owner's manual would cover them, I know my owner's manual doesn't.

As has been said be careful as some vehicles have light duty tie down hooks which are not suitable for recovery purposes.
For peace of mind I suggest visiting your local ARB, TJM, Fourby's, Autocraft etc and discuss what you have with them.
That's what I did and to date I have had no issues.

Also, do not assume just because it is a Rated recovery point it will be safe as I have seen a rated recovery point tear out of a near new chassis rail due to the stresses involved.So always dig, drop pressures etc to reduce the loads.

In short if you can fit a rated recovery point , do so, if not be extra careful.

Lee

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Trying to remember what was on the Prado before the towbar and nudge bar went in as when I bought it, it was a stock standard. Haven't thrown anything away and I can find 3 loops at least and I think there's one more some where. There are 2 hooks which I reinstalled when the bars went in. This means that my Prado came with loops and hooks. Stands to reason as I don't think using hooks as tie downs will be secure as the straps could slip off. Nonetheless, it does mean that I'm better to go get rated points although some tests show that they are not all created equal as some give out and others snap off rather than bend like they are supposed to. Anyways, I'm going to install at all corners with intention to use an equalizer strap to reduce load.

ken

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Whats wrong with recovering offa tow ball ?

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you are kidding aren't you Wazza? What do you think will happen when you apply the snatching force to a slippery round surface like the tow ball? My guess is the strap would fly off it like a rubber band. Hence the reason we recommend the rear recovery hitch that slots into the existing tow bar mount as discussed in the first lot of posts.

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you are kidding aren't you Wazza? What do you think will happen when you apply the snatching force to a slippery round surface like the tow ball? My guess is the strap would fly off it like a rubber band. Hence the reason we recommend the rear recovery hitch that slots into the existing tow bar mount as discussed in the first lot of posts.

Not to mention the fact that a lot of tow balls are made in China out of recycled bean cans! Go tour local Supercrap and see how cheap they are. You get what you pay for. They are rated for loads but not shock loads like a snatchy will deliver.

Imagine a steel cricket ball being thrown at your windscreen at 50 bazillion mph.

Chriso