Coopers Not looking Good????

[Danrex Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Danrex]

Hi all,
Just a little info I found out about Cooper tyres today.
Went to find out the types and prices of tyres for my little beach beast and was told to steer away from Coopers,
reasons,
1. Will wear out quicker (compared to most brands)
2. Side wall failure common
3. Warranty hard to claim (about 3000 Australia wide outstanding)
4. Warranty void if travelling above Tropic of Capricorn
He is a independent tyre store so he has know agreements or contracts with tyre companies he basically sells you the best tyre for your needs.
This info could be all here say but also heard Coopers have done a huge recall!
Just a little bit of info, some might already know.

Getting new shoes tomorrow and robbing a bank!

[Snaga Wishing I was lost Find all posts View Profile Close Snaga]

Re: Coopers Not looking Good

Hmmm, the tyre debate again
I've heard stories that support both sides of all the issues you mentioned.

My Cooper ST's are 50,000k's old and have only dropped from 11mm to 9mm over that distance.
A few side lug chips on one of the rear wheels... but I did blow a diff at the same time as the damage to the tyre ops:
You do have to be pedantic with the servicing for them to even consider a warranty claim.

My other option was the MT FCII's and now my mate who was wrapped in those tyres has had them go pop... straight through the lugs :shock:

[Davros Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close Davros]

Re: Coopers Not looking Good

I think it is a bit rough that you post hearsay info bagging out a product.

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Re: Coopers Not looking Good

There is a few threads here already on the Cooper ATR's blowing out (delaminating) at speed in Hi temp areas. Its a known issue already.

[Danrex Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Danrex]

Re: Coopers Not looking Good

I think it is a bit rough that you post hearsay info bagging out a product.

Sorry if I have offended you or Coopers but, Dont think its a bagging, didnt say they are crap and utter rubbish they are a suitable tyre for some.eg. good second set for around town instead of your humming MT.
( tyre man still gave me the option to buy)

More of a buyer info!

By all means if this topic is covered else where or is not suitable I am happy for this topic to be deleted.

[xvprado Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close xvprado]

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I think it is a bit rough that you post hearsay info bagging out a product.

Got to say I agree wholeheartedly with this

What makes the tyre sellers opinion more valid than say mine ?. I have owned four sets of Coopers, 3 without issue, one set were awful and I wont buy them again based on that
To post up unsubstantiated claims is a bit ordinary I reckon, particularly when profit margins, ability to stock a product, local competition might all be contributing factors

For example

[i]Will wear out quicker (compared to most brands)[/i]
Which model ?....compared to what in particular ?
I had a set of ATRs do an easy 80000klm with no issues....does that make them good or "the best choice", I think not

2. Side wall failure common
Oh really ?, where, when, how ?
Never had a side wall failure myself but have read reports of delamination in certain sizes and conditions DIRECT from the people owning the vehicle. I think thats good feedback

[i]3. Warranty hard to claim (about 3000 Australia wide outstanding)[/i]
Warranty for what...lots of people claim warranty and lots get knocked back by manufacturers, have a talk to Nissan about the ZD30 for warranty
My experience with Coopers on warranty was totally positive and they went beyond their warranty conditions to assist, ceertainly wasnt hard...they even came to my home to look and discuss and made a decision in my favour on the spot


4. Warranty void if travelling above Tropic of Capricorn
Is that what coopers say....or urban myth ?

Seriously, have a think about it before believing something or someone with a vested interest in making a living out of the discussion

Forums like these work because you get real world feedback from people that have used the product

[Sunday Member Find all posts View Profile Close Sunday]

Re: Coopers Not looking Good

Hold on a sec: wasn't the original poster merely passing on what he'd heard from someone in the industry? Albeit the retail not manufacturing side of the industry. I thought he made it very clear that this was merely an opinion expressed to him, not even necessarily endorsed by him.

I for one am in the market for new rubber, have no allegiances to Cooper or ANY brand. I find any feedback on all tyre brands useful so I can form my own opinion. On the basis of this particular post alone, it wouldn't in itself influence me NOT to buy Coopers. But I have merely accepted it for what it is: a second / third hand anecdote.

Sunday

[luked Member Find all posts View Profile Close luked]

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Hey definitely agree with Sunday above here,

Isn't this what the forum is about, anyone can share their experiences/views I am grateful to hear anyone's and I read them as that, not as a conclusive scientific test controlling all variables.

I'm unfortunately interested in tyres again as we all will be and have a pair of ST's on rear with delaminating side walls and a couple of chunks out... these are things I would not expect to see in a good quality tyre.. however I can't claim that I have always used them at the most perfect pressures either.... something which I would think everyone could be accused of at some stage as road/track conditions change quite often. I have no experience in the warranty but would have thought this is what coopers would use to get out of it. I am pleasantly surprised to read otherwise on this thread.

I have heard first hand good things, from people selling coopers and people saying that the marketing is what they have going for them, from people selling other brands.

I have put 20,000 on a pair of ATR's and they seem to be doing well on the front and contemplating completing the set which is why i'm reading this thread.

Yes i know you need to buy a full set of tyres to consider the warranty and rotate them every 10,000kms.
This note is just another persons experience... not a scientific test.. take it as you will

[xvprado Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close xvprado]

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, anyone can share their experiences

Isnt that exacty the point ?...good experiences are valuable feedback that people can take on board, your experience with Coopers is a perfect example

tyre sellers yarns are a little less convincing in terms of the lack of subjectivity

[Leethal Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close Leethal]

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interesting direction this thread has taken ...

My thoughts are several here, firstly there are already several threads on tyres so no need to start another, why not add to one of the existing threads ?

As to the content of the original post, the "independent shop" has know (no?) agreements or contracts with tyre companies?.
hhhmmm well I am very certain there is no way at all he would honestly know the status of warranty claims facing Coopers or any other tyre company.
Do you really believe that ANY company will give that type of information out to their dealers, let alone some one not affiliated with them :?: So to me, it sounds like its either some rumour he has heard, or just pure BS to discourage the purchase of that brand possibly because of poor margins for him.

The company I work for (not in the automotive industry I might add) does not even hint at warranty issues outside of the company walls (or firewalls :wink: )
So to my mind the validity of that advice offered is now nil, so how correct is the other "information"? :?

As to content, I believe we really should try to post our own experiences as much as possible, not second or third hand information which may or may not be correct (possibly due to conflicts of interest) as posting unsubstaniated scutttlebutt only "muddies the water" in a forum where we are trying to learn from other Prado owners experiences.

ok rant over :P just lock it now :lol:

[FlyingBushPig Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close FlyingBushPig]

Re: Coopers Not looking Good

If we never heard anything from any dealers (experienced or not) we'd have a lot less info to go on - yep, some of it might be garbage, other might be absolutely true - and that's for the reader to decide and take action on if applicable to his/her situation.

I could tell people I bought my vehicle with ATR's on it (with a good amount of tread) and within three months 3 tyres had delaminated and this is 100% true. If I left it like that, most people would find it hard to believe. If I then add that I found later I had tyres which weren't up to the load rating of the vehicle and this is possibly why they died, it makes more sense.

Would you trust the opinion on something mechanical from a PPer rather than an expert? Trouble is, we get an opinion from the expert and then we can't trust them because they've apparently got other motives for what they've said.

Pointless arguing about this. Accept that someone has given us some information, then leave it up to each one to decided if they want to take any notice.

*Sorry everyone, mad at the mother-in-law...sorry to take it out on ya all!! :evil: :evil: :evil: :?

[Sunday Member Find all posts View Profile Close Sunday]

Re: Coopers Not looking Good

Pointless arguing about this. Accept that someone has given us some information, then leave it up to each one to decided if they want to take any notice.

My point exactly! Don't even know why I bought into this actually: haven't seen my mother in law for a while...

Sunday

[Danrex Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Danrex]

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Cheers Sunday And Flying Bush Pig!
It was just a bit of info to share around and to take in and maybe ask the question next time you get some rubber.
I did not think this would make a bunch of easy going 4wders get there backs up :? , I simply would have not posted it.
So please just info nothing more!
Cheers
Safe trail blazing!!! 8)

[Rukedi Lurker Find all posts View Profile Close Rukedi]

Re: Coopers Not looking Good????

Agreed Danrex,
MOST of us got that you said in your first post it was just info that you were passing on. I think that if someone is so easily unfavourably swayed by your post, in light of the context, that they would be more easily convinced by a good salesman. I think it's a good thing to pass on info, heard or experienced, & hopefully we're all mature enough & discerning enough to decide whether it should have a bearing on our decisions. Take heart mate, the heads up is appreciated & I'll be sure to ask a few questions when I'm looking for my next set of shoes (soon unfortunately). :lol:

[nickchap Member Find all posts View Profile Close nickchap]

Re: Coopers Not looking Good????

Met someone today that does a lot of off road travelling sometimes towing a jaco expander- not happy with his experience with Coopers :evil:
But then I once had a teacher who said," NEVER BELIEVE HALF THE LIES YOU READ IN THE PAPER" 8)
My 2 bob's :lol:
Nick