Minimum Vehicle Preperation Requirements

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Tried ARB here in Perth. They do not do recovery points as they are worried about legality of rating them

Try ORE that is were I got mine

[Prado887 Member Find all posts View Profile Close Prado887]

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The ARB bar has 'eyelets' on the front, which I am told are suitable for towing, but my understanding is that the points under the bar (sitting very close to the OME loops) are rated for recovery.

I have an earlier ARB bar (04), wich came without the recovery points and I had them retro fitted by ARB a cople of years later, with the sole intention of them being a rated recovery point, (which at the time ARB told me they were).

I have the same Rob (not 2004 though 2007 i think) The recovery Eyelets are separate from the bar and have 3or4 bolts to a side, I keep a spare with bolts in the back just in case of damage to one from a rock etc ......but i dont know if ARB will Rate them as a snatch point or physically have a safe WLL stamped on them :? ???


Hey Matt how do you feel about the use of a bridle in recovery situations to spread the weight??? Dynamica Rope have been making them for a year or so now, I usually keep both of mine under the seat. Some people like them others wont use them?

Ryan

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The ARB bar has 'eyelets' on the front, which I am told are suitable for towing, but my understanding is that the points under the bar (sitting very close to the OME loops) are rated for recovery.

I have an earlier ARB bar (04), wich came without the recovery points and I had them retro fitted by ARB a cople of years later, with the sole intention of them being a rated recovery point, (which at the time ARB told me they were).

I have the same Rob (not 2004 though 2007 i think) The recovery Eyelets are separate from the bar and have 3or4 bolts to a side, I keep a spare with bolts in the back just in case of damage to one from a rock etc ......but i dont know if ARB will Rate them as a snatch point or physically have a safe WLL stamped on them :? ???


Hey Matt how do you feel about the use of a bridle in recovery situations to spread the weight??? Dynamica Rope have been making them for a year or so now, I usually keep both of mine under the seat. Some people like them others wont use them?

Ryan

Funny you should mention that Ryan. I was talking to a ARB outlet yesterday and asked the question "are the points on my '08 bar rated recovery points" and the answer was no. I was advised to use a equalising strap. As Rob mentioned above these points on the ARB bars would be suitable for towing and winching, not snatching.
So Matt as Ryan has mentioned and also myself are a bridle or equalising strap acceptable?

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Hi Matt

Have you looked under the 150 series yet, they have two points front and rear that the manual states asre recovery points, they are bolted into the chassis the same as the aftermarket recovery points. Interested in your comments.

Regards, Richard.

Aren't the front ones welded and the rears ones bolted

[Snaga Wishing I was lost Find all posts View Profile Close Snaga]

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Spoke to TJM at the BNE show today... none of their bars or anything else at this stage are officially 'rated recovery points'.


BUT... the R&D guy I spoke to said they are currently developing a bar and/or chassis point that will be tested and rated for and sold as a recovery point. When that'll hit the shelves he couldn't say at this stage as it is still in development.

[MDS69 Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close MDS69]

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This subject really is easy -

If they are recovery points, of any type and are sturdy, they are fine.

Tie down points are not.

Easy :P

I think that sums it up 8)

[Richoson Avid PP Poster! Find all posts View Profile Close Richoson]

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Hi Folks

This discussion over "rated recovery points" needs to be put into perspective. If you want any item rated it must be "tested to destruction" by a NATA authorised agency. Then it will have a NATA number attached. The reluctance of 4WD accesories companies to nominate their products as "rated recovery points" shows that with the current regulations that are not prepared to put their companies in a position where they can be sued for the failure of their products due to incorrect use.

Therefore it is the responsibility of the "operator" (read vehicle owner) to ensure that with any recovery they are responsible for any result, read damage. I'm sure that we all recognise this as part of our 4wd responsibilty.

Regards, Richo.

[Prado887 Member Find all posts View Profile Close Prado887]

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This subject really is easy -

If they are recovery points, of any type and are sturdy, they are fine.

Tie down points are not.

Easy :P

I think that sums it up 8)

Yep sorted 8)
Ryan

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Some food for thought - I for one think it is a wise idea to take a good set of spanners, sockets and a few other bits and pieces like fan belts etc JUST IN CASE. Especially since I will be coming from Brisbane for the 2010GTG.

Pre-Trip Service
Anyone got objections for my local mechanic (PML120R) to do my pretrip service - he has a Prado and he is the only competent mechanic who I let touch my Prado (I just cant trust those apprentices to do a decent job). I will ask him to do the pretrip service/check and have him complete the service manual as per usual. The only issue is I wont be getting a receipt for the work. Will this suffice for a Pretrip check????

Suitable or not - 2008 ARB Winch Bar - reading the above posts does not really answer the question if my ARB Winch Bar (that has the eyelets as a part of the bar next to the tie down points) is suitable for the trip's requirements for a recovery point. Anyone??????

When I had the bar installed by ARB, they informed me they are rated recovery points. But now I am aware they are not rated. Now it is ironic since I am a member of Brisbanes largest/oldest 4WD club and they consider them suitable for recovery points.

Can anyone confirm this for me. Thanks in advance.

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Gordon you are 45 minutes away from newcastle mate not on the canning so if it is due change the oil before you go if it is due and throw a spanner or 2 and your automobile association card in the glove box and you are right

As for recovery i believe the consesus is that if it is a point or hook of some kind that is either directly bolted to the chassie or an intergral part of a front or rear protection system that is once again bolted to the chassie you will be fine. Just bring some rated d shackles as well.

As for the debate around so called rated recovery points the post above is correct in that the point, and the mounting system would need to be tested to destruction by NATA and i dont think ARB or any other manufacturer is going to supply the recovery point attached to the bar attached to the vehicle (yes you would have to rip it out of the chassie) and then have it pulled until it is ripped apart. If any other compaines do actually provide a so called rated recovery point then maybe the point itself was either tested to destruction or a load limit placed on it through enginnering assuption (metal density etc) but not the complete system. (including vehicle chassis)

So in summary you will be right

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Not wanting to stir things too much, but how come the upgraded Toyota points aren't acceptable because they "aren't rated", but any other ones are acceptable even if they aren't rated either. - (That includes the wonderful home made ones mentined in other posts here on Pradrpoint.)

I don't get it. When I went to ARB in 2008 to get a set fitted while the car was a week old, they had a look at my standard ones and said they didn't need replacing.
They are bolted and welded front and back
What is really the go here?

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Thanks Chester.

[dereki Member Find all posts View Profile Close dereki]

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In the video thread there is a prado that was so violently snatched the chassis rail ripped off at the crumple points behind the tie down points. The tie down points (newer style) were fine, intact and didn't even look bent. Personally I think that makes them strong enough for emergency use. Not sure I would make a habit of it.

I have after market recovery point and will only use them for recovery, even though they are not rated by the manufacturer (outback ideas).

(Should the recovery point discussion have another thread? I think the requirement to have bolted ones for the trip is good, and in line with all 4wd clubs that I know of.) (and yes, PP isn't a club)

D

[chester Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close chester]

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Not wanting to stir things too much, but how come the upgraded Toyota points aren't acceptable because they "aren't rated", but any other ones are acceptable even if they aren't rated either. - (That includes the wonderful home made ones mentined in other posts here on Pradrpoint.)

I don't get it. When I went to ARB in 2008 to get a set fitted while the car was a week old, they had a look at my standard ones and said they didn't need replacing.
They are bolted and welded front and back
What is really the go here?

I suppose to keep it simple i usually think like this when recovering someone (and i may be wrong)
1 i will only use my snatch and shackles
2 i will look under the car if the recovery point is bolted to the chaissie we are in business. If i can only find a welded hoop i will look for another method

[PradoGXL08 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close PradoGXL08]

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Hi All,

I have spoken to ARB Head Office here in Bayswater, and I have been advised for those who have an ARB Deluxe Winch Bar (suit 2007, 2008,2009 model 120 series), which included the Front Bash Plate, that the "Eyelets" located 90 Degrees Vertical to the Toyota Tie Down points, are Recovery Points..

There is no way to mount an aftermaket recovery point with the avove setup on 07-09' series without a lot of work.

I will speak to the Engineering Dept tomorrow to get a Clear understanding of the matter and find out to what rating they are rated too.

I will then post that info for all to read.

Stuart