Would you pull me out?

[BrettM Member Find all posts View Profile Close BrettM]

I agree way to much right foot, that much force is asking for trouble. If some one was to snatch me out I would make it clear to only use gentle tugs not one big mighty yank

[mjrandom Out of control poster! Find all posts View Profile Close mjrandom]

I think the car may have had a steel bar on it before that was involved in an accident damaging the chassis.
Then they got the original bumper out of the shed, fitted it back on the car and sold the car!

Now that I have seen the video I reckon it is a bit dodgy. I doubt the chassis would shear square across like that without a defect or stress raiser. Could have hit too many water barrels with the Smartbar and changed it back, what do you reckon? Agree with your comment about sand too.

[fido666 Banned Find all posts View Profile Close fido666]

I agree way to much right foot, that much force is asking for trouble. If some one was to snatch me out I would make it clear to only use gentle tugs not one big mighty yank

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJA3J--g_yI

So not like these guys then?

[SWR Banned Find all posts View Profile Close SWR]

Hi guys

Wafra's offroad prado incident

So according to the Vid its the difference between doing a bungee jump with a chain/ Leather strap or an elastic band!

The first two will rip your legs off and the last one launch you and you get to keep your legs and if the correct strap is used (Load to weight) it should snap before ripping the chassis leg off!

Cheers

[SWR Banned Find all posts View Profile Close SWR]

Here is a good vid

Recovery Straps & Tow Straps: Safety Tips - US Cargo Control

[SWR Banned Find all posts View Profile Close SWR]

Another one!

Cheers

[blkd4d Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close blkd4d]

This video is a prime example of what NOT to do. lucky nobody was killed. (just letting you know there is a heap of swearing in this clip..not kid friendly).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhqfrMJoa9k

Lots of swearing but laughing also why would you laugh at that , it was very dangerous..

[johnnydrama Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close johnnydrama]

I would do everything i could to get you out - but a forcefull snatch would be last on the list. Last = after waiting for the mud to dry/ erosion to have an effext on the sand

I personally have the points pictured earlier from TJM and had them installed there as well.

Even if you argue they have little improvement in safety or function - a hundred bucks or so and a half hour and theyre done - and then you avoid pissing contests, and i dont need a mechanical engineering degree to work out whats what when you ask for a hand.

(All said in the context that it'll be me getting recovered 9 times out of 10)

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[Peterpilot Avid PP Poster! Find all posts View Profile Close Peterpilot]

Looking at that video,

Are you saying that rated recovery points would have stopped the chassis from being ripped off? or does it show that the factory loops are stronger than the chassis, and the argument is academic?

I'm confused

The video shows that if you snatch from one chassis rail alone, you risk breaking the chassis. It also shows that the vehicle is a 2006 or later model, which has much stronger factory points than Ant's 2003 model. Sorry, I still wouldn't snatch recover you with factory points

[Anth120playdo Banned Find all posts View Profile Close Anth120playdo]

The video shows that if you snatch from one chassis rail alone, you risk breaking the chassis. It also shows that the vehicle is a 2006 or later model, which has much stronger factory points than Ant's 2003 model. Sorry, I still wouldn't snatch recover you with factory points

Hi Peter,

At the GTG we will be able to discuss the difference in the 2 (earlier & later) and why the later ones are "much stronger"
Absolutely essential to use an equalizer if your going to go that hard, like I said, lets tear it off evenly

Also We will have to remember to bring a 120 series Prado strut each & demonstrate how to measure them.
then we will all understand where the 5mm difference is

Looking forward to meeting you there.

[Trekrider Banned Find all posts View Profile Close Trekrider]

Ok I'm going to put my Project Managers hat on now and see if I can make some sense of this issue;

First an overview of the differing opinions;

1 - Some people think the factory points are very strong and ok to use for recovery.
2 - Some people think the aftermarket points are strong and ok to use for recovery.
3 - Some people think the factory points are weak and not suitable for recovery.
4 - Some people think the aftermarket points are weak and not suitable for recovery.
5 - Some people will recover you regardless of which points you have.
6 - Some people will only recover you using factory points and will not recover you with aftermarket points.
7 - Some people will recover you using after aftermarket points and will not recover you using factory points.

Point 1 - 4 are just people's opinions and generally irrelevant when the time comes that you need help.
Point 5 I think is the majority of people who do not have strong view on the subject and will help you any way they can.
Point 6 is not an issue as we all have factory points.
Points 7 could be the difference between getting home and sleeping in the car.

So what have we learned?

When you need help from others your opinions are irrelevant and it is the opinion of the person assisting you that counts.
In this case regardless of your preference towards recovery point it is in your families best interests to spend a little over $150 to buy aftermarket points so any would-be rescuer has the option to use either points.

So my conclusion is therefore the small outlay could increases you chance of being rescued.

My advice to anyone reading this thread would be to buy aftermarket recovery points and fit them before you next leave the black top, your family's safety is just too important.

Just to throw the cat amongst the pigeons as it were. Where does this leave people like AJ120 who has home fabricated (non rated) recovery points? Andrew is one of the ones who says he won't recover using the factory loops but will with rated aftermarket points. Andrew isn't alone in being in this position - several people have modified the ARB Bullbar brackets to either beef them up (I was one of these but I did get mine done by a professional welder) or to be able to bolt rated hooks to them (like Andrew). The fact the hooks are rated in this case is obviously irrelevant as they are bolted to a home fabricated plate that isn't. I'm not picking on you here Andrew as you aren't the only one in this position - I personally consider that the 'modified' ARB plate to be the strongest solution we have (provided it has been welded properly) but it's still not rated.

With my new bar, I have rated recovery hooks fitted to the points provided for doing so by the manufacturer of the bar - would people be willing to recover from these?

[Trekrider Banned Find all posts View Profile Close Trekrider]

I would say everyone needs to buy rated recovery points and fit them to the manufactures specification.

But this is impossible for anyone with a 120 and an ARB Bullbar, as has been discussed many times in the past.

[Anth120playdo Banned Find all posts View Profile Close Anth120playdo]

But this is impossible for anyone with a 120 and an ARB Bullbar, as has been discussed many times in the past.

Or a Toyota winch cradle, as I have. In case anyone missed it. I cannot fit the dodgy recovery points to my vehicle lol............

Anyway there's no absolute conclusion.

Good talk.

[Anth120playdo Banned Find all posts View Profile Close Anth120playdo]

It is not impossible, expensive or impractical maybe.

There are options including changing your bar but it is up to you to weigh up the probability and potential risk to your family in being refused recovery against the cost options.

Don't forget, just because nobody recovers you doesn't mean your family is at risk,
Just set up camp where u are till the other 99% arrives to help.

[Trekrider Banned Find all posts View Profile Close Trekrider]

It is not impossible, expensive or impractical maybe.

There are options including changing your bar but it is up to you to weigh up the probability and potential risk to your family in being refused recovery against the cost options.

OK, being pedantic it's not impossible, you are right it's impractical as I suspect none of us is prepared to buy a second Prado just to get it tested.

For us mere mortals getting a rated recovery point for a 120 Prado with an ARB bar isn't going to happen. The 120 has been around for a long time now and nobody has come up with a rated recovery point to go with the ARB bar and I suspect they never will.