Would you pull me out?

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Just to throw the cat amongst the pigeons as it were. Where does this leave people like AJ120 who has home fabricated (non rated) recovery points? Andrew is one of the ones who says he won't recover using the factory loops but will with rated aftermarket points. Andrew isn't alone in being in this position - several people have modified the ARB Bullbar brackets to either beef them up (I was one of these but I did get mine done by a professional welder) or to be able to bolt rated hooks to them (like Andrew). The fact the hooks are rated in this case is obviously irrelevant as they are bolted to a home fabricated plate that isn't. I'm not picking on you here Andrew as you aren't the only one in this position - I personally consider that the 'modified' ARB plate to be the strongest solution we have (provided it has been welded properly) but it's still not rated.

My recovery points don't rely on any weld other than the factory ones on the chassis, the same as everyone else here regardless of what recovery points you use. Mine have the advantage of 4 bolts per side including being bolted to the chassis behind any welds. Also my hooks are rated to 10,000lb each for what that's worth.

Edit. Just to restate, no one has rated recovery points!
Cheers Andrew

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Seriously even the guys who said they wouldn't recover you, be honest now. You are in a remote area and know no one else will be coming by or on a beach and someone's car is just about to be swamped, will you help now? Come on the poor guy has a wife and two small kids with him, will you help???????


AJ? Anyone?

And that's why on average 2 people a year in Australia die doing recoveries!

If someone is bogged on the beach I would help them, I am almost certain I could extract anyone without the need to resort to a snatch off of IMO unsafe recovery points, so yeah I would help.

However if for some strange reason my only option left is to do an unsafe snatch of recovery points I think might fail then I hope they have good insurance. I would not risk my life or the life of others to save a piece of steel and plastic. Yeah I would get them to safety, call for help but not risk my life because they were unprepared.

Plenty of people on here know I have recovered totally unprepared drivers with vehicles in danger of being taken by the sea, but I did it safely and in a couple of instances during the preparation and the actual GTG I had the help of those PPers with me.

Cheers Andrew

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So just finally ####, seeing as you are so sure about your 14mm round "recovery points" would you buy and use unrated D shackles from Bunnings? After all if they are 14mm thick then surely they must be good enough? Surely you wouldn't have double standards an
Ns say they are no good...... Would you?

Hopefully we can catch up when you guys head to the Simmo and I can spend some more time telling you why I am right and you are wrong

I am heading really remote for a few days from tomorrow so should be an interesting read when I get net access again.

Cheers Andrew

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My recovery points don't rely on any weld other than the factory ones on the chassis, the same as everyone else here regardless of what recovery points you use. Mine have the advantage of 4 bolts per side including being bolted to the chassis behind any welds. Also my hooks are rated to 10,000lb each for what that's worth.

Cheers Andrew

Which is why I said that the points I would be most happy with are yours or the ones Brett made up for me (especially the fact they mount to the chassis behind the welds). The point I was making was that for those insisting on 'rated' recovery points they aren't rated.

Edit: As you say, nor are anyone else's.

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Which is why I said that the points I would be most happy with are yours or the ones Brett made up for me (especially the fact they mount to the chassis behind the welds). The point I was making was that for those insisting on 'rated' recovery points they aren't rated.

They are as rated as anyone's, the hook is rated, the bolts are rated, the steel is significantly thicker than the chassis they bolt too.

But of course it's up to whoever might need to pull me out to decide.

Cheers Andrew

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Hi Peter,

At the GTG we will be able to discuss the difference in the 2 (earlier & later) and why the later ones are "much stronger"
Absolutely essential to use an equalizer if your going to go that hard, like I said, lets tear it off evenly

Also We will have to remember to bring a 120 series Prado strut each & demonstrate how to measure them.
then we will all understand where the 5mm difference is

Looking forward to meeting you there.

Hi ####,

Also looking forward to meeting you at the GTG, but no need to bring a 120 series strut. I finally decided to disassemble one of mine and measure them accurately on the bench. Guess what? As you said, 540mm extended! http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread...l=1#post416808

As far as towing points are concerned, I still have the OE ones like yours as well as aftermarket ones:

So I have both bases covered for comparison purposes at the GTG

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Ive got a winch cradle & the 'dodgey' recovery points...

Am I missing something here???

Maybe, you should come to the gtg and show me. I'm missing a lot :-)

Nor concluded absolution.

that's absolute.

x2 . I've the outback ideas recovery points on the same set up. I'd gladly recover someone with those, just not sure about the OEM tie down hooks unless equalizer straps were involved!

You mean factory tow hooks?

Regarding the tow points provided by Toyota, advice from Toyota in June 2010 was as follows:

"Please be advised that the 3 towing points (2 at the front and 1 at the rear) as referred to on page 513 of the owners manual, are for the purpose of "flat strap" towing ONLY, and are NOT recommended for the purpose of "snatch strap" towing.

When using a "snatch strap", the load that is transferred onto the towing point multiplies excessively and in turn can cause serious damage to your vehicle if used. It is this reason why Toyota does NOT recommend the use of "snatch straps"."

and

"Toyota does not recommend the use of 'snatch straps', we understand that in some situations tools do need to be used, however if they are used, it is at the owners own risk.

Please refer to page 10 of your Off-Road Manual, and page 20 of your Owners Manual.

Unfortunately there is no exact specs on how much load the "tow points" on your vehicle can take, however on page 511 of your Owners Manual it outlines very clearly that the "tow points" are only designed for towing in an emergency on hard surfaced roads for short distances at low speeds."


So Toyota does not condone their use for snatching even though Page 80 of the off road driving owners manual shows tools for recovering bogged vehicles which includes elastic towing rope (commonly called a snatch strap) which would be attached to the towing points using U-shaped shackles. Toyota were also not able to provide any advice on what force the tow points could take.

Nevertheless, I doubt most people would just leave you stranded and would try to help in what they consider a safe way.

They know their chassis could tear off. Regardless of what points.

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Hey Andrew, yes iTs all happening, your busy touring the countryside & you get service & have to deal with all this while your on holidays.

I'm busy too I will have to read all your posts some other time :-)

At least we have a topic to discuss at the gtg, heaps of people are interested in this.......
Will be interesting to inspect 40 prados points, from Prado point :-)

Have fun ppl. Catch ya later.

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Really enjoying reading this thread, this forum has so much to offer.
If I do need towing or snatching and there is someone who might be kind enough to help me out I would like to offer them the choice of my ARB Deluxe Bar points or some aftermarket bolt on points. Can anyone recommend aftermarket bolt on points that will fit?

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Really enjoying reading this thread, this forum has so much to offer.
If I do need towing or snatching and there is someone who might be kind enough to help me out I would like to offer them the choice of my ARB Deluxe Bar points or some aftermarket bolt on points. Can anyone recommend aftermarket bolt on points that will fit?

As has been said many, many, many times, nobody makes aftermarket recovery points to fit with an ARB Bar for a 120 - the only option is to custom make some.

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Hi ####,

Also looking forward to meeting you at the GTG, but no need to bring a 120 series strut. I finally decided to disassemble one of mine and measure them accurately on the bench. Guess what? As you said, 540mm extended! http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread...l=1#post416808

As far as towing points are concerned, I still have the OE ones like yours as well as aftermarket ones:
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So I have both bases covered for comparison purposes at the GTG

Well that's 1 item sorted out absolutely then :-)
I've only measured dozens to make sure, lol......
I'm pretty sure the 150 series are the same.
I think the database said 550 or 555? Unless its changed?

As far as towing points go, I think AJ. Needs to make some plates that bolt on in 4 places with M14 12.9 bolts. I will browse around & see what ones pop up that I might like.
I like red ones :-)
If you use the toyota winch cradle, you would have had to use some sort of spacers?
Not sure how compatible that is.

[Anth120playdo Banned Find all posts View Profile Close Anth120playdo]

Really enjoying reading this thread, this forum has so much to offer.
If I do need towing or snatching and there is someone who might be kind enough to help me out I would like to offer them the choice of my ARB Deluxe Bar points or some aftermarket bolt on points. Can anyone recommend aftermarket bolt on points that will fit?

Don't worry I won't rip your Bullbar off.
I'm happy to use your factory tow points & take the front end with me

[Trekrider Banned Find all posts View Profile Close Trekrider]

Finally, here is the answer:

[Anth120playdo Banned Find all posts View Profile Close Anth120playdo]

Finally, here is the answer:

How much? I'm pumping my tyres up to 80si now.

[Trekrider Banned Find all posts View Profile Close Trekrider]

How much? I'm pumping my tyres up to 80si now.

I'm sure that the rating isn't a problem - but then, who cares