D4D Owners, any regrets not going the V6?

[leachy_9 Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close leachy_9]

Bunsen,
Given a choice between the the older TD and a 4.0V6 I'd take the V6. But the D4D certainly makes the choice a lot harder. Remmeber that your not only getting a much better engine with the D4D vs the TD your getting an extra cog in the gearbox as well. It really comes down to what you want to use the vehicle for and driving style. I love my D4D but can see the attraction of the V6. Hard decision, but either way you get a great vehicle.
The glow pugs in the D4D only take a couple of seconds to heat and the the slight pause just becomes second nature.
Leachy.

[Fazza Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Fazza]

Bunsen,
Just to add to leachy's reply.
Suburban driving, the cooling down of the turbo is not a problem, (just turn off immediately) unless you have been doing some street racing.
You only need to let it cool down after a lot of hard load & or high speed driving. :wink:

Cheers,
Fazza

[Jacto Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Jacto]

Just to add my two bob's worth,
I have owned diesel engined vehicles for the past 25 or so years and wouldn't have a petrol in the garage. The D4D is definitely the most refined piece of craftmanship I have ever had the pleasure to operate.
Truly, on the highway you couldn't tell the difference between the two engines and what the hell, you can't even utilise the power and top speed of the V6 in the Territory now.

I am sure Pete S will agree with me that when we put our D4D's up against the V6's on a rocky outcrop in the Watagans, we climbed up and over in the first attempt where the petrol's needed more than one attempt and to rub the salt in, we both had the standard Dunlops.

Diesel it is first time and every time for me

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I am sure Pete S will agree with me that when we put our D4D's up against the V6's on a rocky outcrop in the Watagans, we climbed up and over in the first attempt where the petrol's needed more than one attempt and to rub the salt in, we both had the standard Dunlops.

Sounds more like a driver issue. Maybe you needed to sewap cars to compare :wink:

Having driven D4D and V6 back to back, inc towing a rally car on trailer and dirt work, I personally find the V6 suits me better and performed better in the conditions I tried them in over a number of days.

Being that Diesel is also dearer locally, Petrol suits me fine.

[SSbaby Member Find all posts View Profile Close SSbaby]

The thing that makes me want the V6 is the fact that it doesn't have a timing belt. I guess most propspective buyers probably wouldn't give a flying thingamebob... but I hate to think I would have a huge service bill at 100,000km.

[xvprado Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close xvprado]

The thing that makes me want the V6 is the fact that it doesn't have a timing belt. I guess most propspective buyers probably wouldn't give a flying thingamebob... but I hate to think I would have a huge service bill at 100,000km.

Less than $1200 at a Tojo dealer currently...Im guessing you could shop around

Buy what you like, the V6 is a beautiful thing
The D4D is arguably as good a diesel as you would find

What do you want from the vehicle?....that is all you need to decide, then the motor choice is easy

[Grandeman Avid PP Poster! Find all posts View Profile Close Grandeman]

The V6 is a horn motor - grunt by the bucketful and beautifully smooth and refined.

I avoided diesel because there was no D4D at the time and I couldn't have put up with 5000Km service intervals.

If there had been a D4D available, I would have seriously considered it (only if i could get it chipped, otherwise the power deficit would be too great to reconcile, for me personally).

However, I don't regret buying the V6 and can live with its less than frugal drinking habits, in return for the instant response underfoot and its aural joy - geez I'd luv to get some extractors for it!!!

[Ba77hy Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Ba77hy]

Ok,

Both D4D and V6 are great vehicle's the V6 has more hp, and the D4D has the torque advantage.

I pesonally chose the D4D as according to my sums at the time it would be a cheaper vehicle to run and own. I think at the time diesel prices were about 10c per litre more expensive than petrol, so to err on the side of caution, I calculated it around 12c per litre more expensive. I then factored the price of servicing, Diesel being $80.00 more expensive at 10,000km than petrol and $200 more at 40,000km. (this is at my dealership).

From this data at the time and using, Fuel consumption ratings provided with the vehicles I calculated that for every 40,000km I would be better off by over $1000.00.

This figure will have now improved as there is currently only 2c per litre difference in the price of petrol and diesel (where i buy fuel)

The other factors that influenced me to get a D4D was yes it is a diesel, diesels that are well looked after tend to last longer that petrol comparitves, they do not burn as hot and therefore, alot of parts do not need to be replaced as often ie exhaust systems.

Anyway, I love the V6 also plenty under the go pedal, but the diesel was the go for me!!!

I would recommend anyone purchasing these vehicles to examine all the pro and cons of each vehicle, they are both terriffic, and really it's your own personal choice that should be the deciding factor


BA77HY

[Fazza Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Fazza]

The thing that makes me want the V6 is the fact that it doesn't have a timing belt. I guess most propspective buyers probably wouldn't give a flying thingamebob... but I hate to think I would have a huge service bill at 100,000km.

Less than $1200 at a Tojo dealer currently...Im guessing you could shop around

Buy what you like, the V6 is a beautiful thing
The D4D is arguably as good a diesel as you would find

What do you want from the vehicle?....that is all you need to decide, then the motor choice is easy

Was at my dealer today & just out if interest enquired as to timing belt replacement cost for a D4D (around $450)
Not that painful after all

Cheers,
Fazza. 07 GXL D4D Auto

[yetiboy01 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close yetiboy01]

Something to think about is resale value, try & sell a second hand petrol 4wd, no one wants to Know you, try & sell a late model diesel 4wd & the phone doesnt stop ringing from private buyers to dealers because they are so hard to find, check on carpoint.com, there will be 50 petrol prados to each diesel advertised, try & get a second hand d4d prado, you will pay near new price, if its a dealer you could be paying new price due to the waiting list on the new diesels, no waiting list for the petrols because very few people are buying them compared to the diesels

[Justo Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close Justo]

Hmmm.! Look at the price of Diesel at the moment. :evil:
10-15cents per litre more than petrol.!! Any economy savings are gone in the extra cost or close to it.!

[yetiboy01 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close yetiboy01]

Its been a 20 cents difference in Brisbane lately

[ABD Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ABD]

Its been a 20 cents difference in Brisbane lately

It really does depend on your local servo.
It would be intersting to know if this web site is accurate.
http://www.exploroz.com/OntheRoad/FuelPrices/NSW.asp
The Shell roadhouse at Sutton Forest has diesel and ULP at the same price.
Nearest reasonable price for diesel
http://tinyurl.com/22a3hj

I redid the calculations I did before ordering a D4D.
Fuel prices are NSW state averages
used Toyota web site fuel figures
Diesel 9.2l/100km x $1.521 = $14.00 per 100 km
ULP 13.6l?100km x $1.445 = $19.65 per 100km

And the D4D 10% more torque

Never driven a petrol Prado but liked the V6 in the Camry I had and is now driven by my son.
I plan to tow a van with the D4d and am not in a hurry.

Cheers

[yetiboy01 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close yetiboy01]

Hi drove the V6 before buying the diesel, it was very smooth & quiet with plenty of power, but I like the torque of the diesel for towing in the hills, the petrol just seems to work too hard in the hills, changes down gears & uses lots of revs to keep up the same speed using much more fuel in these conditions.

Once under way the diesel is very quiet, much quieter than my old NP DID Pajero but doesnt seem to have as much grunt as the Pajero & uses more fuel with the identical setup, an extra litre per 100k, also had a lot more warranty issues with the Toyota even though it has only done 18,000klm

[LiveFreeAndRoam Avid PP Poster! Find all posts View Profile Close LiveFreeAndRoam]

I redid the calculations I did before ordering a D4D.
Fuel prices are NSW state averages
used Toyota web site fuel figures
Diesel 9.2l/100km x $1.521 = $14.00 per 100 km
ULP 13.6l?100km x $1.445 = $19.65 per 100km

And the D4D 10% more torque

And... at those fuel figures, when you consider the D4D costs just $1,000 more than the petrol-model, then the D4D will have recouped the difference (with interest) within 20,000kms. [($1000/($19.65/100km - $14/100km)) * 100 = 17,699kms]

So for the typical driver who averages 25K/year, you will have already caught up on the difference in buying price within the 1st year of driving - the rest is gravy

It's a no brainer for me.

LFaR.