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    Hi All, Yes I am dead new to the forum but have spent some time reading the relevant threads.
    Have been recommended to buy a Prado as a replacement for my EL Falcon as a tow vehicle and would appreciate recommendations as this will be my first 4WD.

    My requirements are (in order or relevance);
    Budget max $20,000

    Primary use is to tow a 1400kg caravan (50% of time) or a similar weight trailer sailor yacht (20% of time), short trip to launch and retrieve my boat from local ramp with under 2 km distance (15% of time) and the remaining 15% of the time will be black top touring. I do not intend to do any off road bush bashing. One of the main reasons in being "steered" to a 4WD is to get the required towing capacity, with some reserve for a factor of safety and to have some traction if required at a slippery ramp on launch/retrieve. Might end up doing a Fraser Island trip (car only) but certainly nothing too serious. The van is not an off road model but might encounter a bit of sand or loose stuff in getting to some remote free camps.

    I am in my 60's now and do not need to be able to tow at the legal limit uphill & down dale. Happy to just go with the traffic flow, but of course reserve power for passing is always great.

    As its going to be a second vehicle, I will most likely only end up doing an average of between 10-12,000 kms pa. Therefore I an tending to strongly favour petrol vs diesel because of cheaper purchase cost; not a big difference in annual fuel costs (thanks for the excellent posts Mark); I avoid potential issues with bad diesel doing in injectors, sludging the oil ?? As I will be doing my own servicing where possible (certainly oil changes and fluids). I read that the diesel would not like the short run time for the under 2km trip to launch boat, as car will not even be starting to warm up. I appreciate that the petrol engine will not like this either but should be much more tolerance & have a better recovery when given a longer trip and getting up to normal working temperature at a latter stage (to drive moisture out of the system) Is this a fair assumption?

    I intend to hold the vehicle for the next 10 years and will therefore put something like 120,000 addition kms on the clock. Don't want to get into the situation of having to do an engine rebuild, so this will mean getting a vehicle with under 250,000 ish. I know that diesels are known for doing very high k's in their life time, but I am concerned that with my limiting budget I will be getting a 3rd+ owner vehicle and the service history will not be well known as far as the vital frequency of fluid changes etc. On this basis am I correct in assuming that the diesel would be more prone to possible maintenance problems with higher k's with unknown service history?

    Not after fancy features, just want a reliable vehicle to tow, that I can do the majority of maintenance myself (& get my from A to B) and back again!

    Sorry for the lengthy post but the more threads I read, the more I realised that there was to consider.

    What would you choose in my position? Petrol/Diesel? year? model?

  • #2
    For that budget you could get a 5 year old 4WD 4 door ute with less than 100K on the clock.

    S
    155 SX with dual battery and Polyairs in the rear springs..

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    • #3
      Hey,

      The points you have raised are all very good points to consider in choosing between a petrol and diesel.

      In running cost terms, the van you're towing isn't a super heavy one at 1400kg compared to the 2.5t rated capacity of the 120 series Prado, but keep in mind you will chew petrol at higher economies compared to diesel when towing. If you are only doing the occasional trip as you suggest, then the cost arguments probably don't apply. Torque wise there is very little difference in peak torque between diesel and petrol, just the diesel torque peaking at earlier rpm. You won't have any problems towing a 1400kg van with a petrol Prado, and you will have that extra grunt out on the highway if you need it.

      In terms of maintenance, buying a used pre 2008 diesel can land you in trouble if the injectors haven't been replaced, see here;

      http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread...-seats-Egr-Scv

      Up to 2007 petrol motors can suffer oil leaks such as this, however such things are more of an annoyance rather than the troubling aspects of injector replacement in diesels;

      http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread...IY-fix-at-home

      If you are planning the occasional vehicle only trip to Fraser, you will really enjoy the extra power of the petrol in the sand.

      Petrol 120 Prados are currently some $6000 cheaper than diesels with around 150000km on them. If you are only doing occasional trips, any extra fuel costs of the petrol will be saved in this $6000 difference.

      I would suggest looking at 2007-09 120 series petrol Prados with up to 150000km on them, the second hand purchasing price savings will put extra dollars in your pockets over many years of your retirement. The petrol 1GR-FE engine is a very reliable and powerful motor. You could consider looking at a petrol 150 series, as the 150 series 1GR-FE has dual VVT on both intake and exhaust, so you will get a small gain in economy, perhaps 1.0l/100km. However, the 150 is heavier than the 120, carries less fuel, 150l compared to 180l, and a second hand 150 will cost you much more than a 120.

      The Prado is also an excellent touring vehicle if you are planning some longer trips, very comfortable to drive!

      Best of luck with searching for a good quality Prado, and I hope you get some great trips out of it!

      Best

      Mark
      2006 GXL petrol auto. ARB deluxe bar x3 HID IPF's, ARB alloy roofrack, ARB awning, BFG A/T, Safari snorkel, Piranha breathers, Pacemaker extractors, custom Ironman 45710FE 436-569mm with Dobinsons 350, custom Ironman 45682FE 383-618mm with Dobinsons 487, Firestone kevlar 60psi airbags, 30mm extended Roadsafe links, AMTS bashplate and recovery points, ABR Flyer with Powersonic AGM.

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      • #4
        I think if buy the diesel for the towing, what kind of trailable do u have.

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        • #5
          Hey Mark,
          Thanks for taking the time for your super informative reply. Very helpful in guiding me to an informed decision. The advise in the links has the potential to save an unknowing newbie literally thousands.
          You just don't know what you don't know.
          So much for Toyotas "unbreakable" reputation. Of course every car has its issues, but I now feel very much more prepared, being forewarned of the potential issues and what to do IF the warning signs start appearing.

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          • #6
            Hi Oceanracer, I have a Farrier F22 trimaran. Its rated ATM is only 1200kg on trailer, so even my aging existing 15yo Falcon tows it with ease (unless its a 35c day with the air con on!!)

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            • #7
              that would get you along very nicely

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              • #8
                Hey GR1,

                Every 4wd vehicle Toyota made has its "common" issues, 60 series running gearbox oil into transfer, 80 series big end bearings, all the way up to brand new 79 and 200 series chewing litres and litres of oil between services.

                As long as you are aware of these potential problems, you can hopefully avoid them with care and maintenance. Being part of a good forum like PP means you'll also become aware of these issues and how to fix them if they happen to you.

                Aside from the timeless 70 series, Toyota 4wd's have definitely become "softer" over the years with more electronic gadgets, ifs etc. etc. This means you cannot push the newer vehicles as hard as the older vehicles. Just watch an All4Adventure show and you will see how many things you can break on a 200 series when you push it hard!

                Keeping these things in mind and driving your 4wd with a bit of care is always in my mind when I have my Prado off road in difficult conditions. Go and jump your Prado a metre in the air and you'll break the ifs, buckle/bend/crack the chassis. Try and climb a vertical mountain and you stand a chance of shredding a diff;

                http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread...-The-Diff-club

                I've seen plenty of busted Prados over the last 10 years because they were driven way past the limits of what they were engineered to do. Drive them with care and good maintenance, and you can drive a Prado well over 500000km, there are vehicles reported on this forum with up to 800000km driving on them!

                We will probably hear of 120 series Prados with 1000000km in the next few years!

                Grab yourself a Prado and get out there and enjoy it!

                Best

                Mark
                2006 GXL petrol auto. ARB deluxe bar x3 HID IPF's, ARB alloy roofrack, ARB awning, BFG A/T, Safari snorkel, Piranha breathers, Pacemaker extractors, custom Ironman 45710FE 436-569mm with Dobinsons 350, custom Ironman 45682FE 383-618mm with Dobinsons 487, Firestone kevlar 60psi airbags, 30mm extended Roadsafe links, AMTS bashplate and recovery points, ABR Flyer with Powersonic AGM.

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