pricing for the 150

[A10 Member Find all posts View Profile Close A10]

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Be aware when adding accessories to your new vehicle price that the dealer doesn't calculate the Luxury Car Tax on the additional cost of the accessories. 33% on a $2,000 bullbar is a lot of dough.

johnv

The ATO guide to LCT says:

"Additional accessories, modifications and treatments
The LCT value of a car includes the price of all accessories, modifications and treatments made to the car or paid for by the customer (or their associate), provided they are made:
? before the car is delivered to the customer, or
? under an arrangement with the supplier of the car, or with an associate of the supplier, at or before the time of delivery."

So if you don't want to be liable for LCT, you should get accessories after delivery. Makes it hard especially if they are factory fitted options.

At least the LCT seems to be based on the price you actually pay so any discounts have a bonus effect. In Qld at least, the stamp duty on registration is based on the RRP on road including accessories so is not reduced by discounts. It gets very confusing trying to work out all the various taxes etc when they seem to be based on different base prices.

I have been trying to understand these costs to decipher the quotes from my novated lease fleet manager.

[hwang_edward Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close hwang_edward]

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In 2006, I bought a petrol Prado GXL with some options (tinted, metallic paint, leather seat, rear sensor) for driveaway $52000. At that time I was able to buy a LC100 v8 for $55000 driveaway.

I couldn't believe the price hike as it's more than I expected. I considered LC200 but LC200 is also 4 months waiting thanks to Rudd's 50% tax exemption.

After the 50% tax exemption and intial interest is diminished, I expect the price will be the level that more people can afford. Also I'm a bit concerned if the current D4D is adequate for the overweighted Prado diesel.
I doubt I'd drive the prado Kakadu on off-road.

[Eugene Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Eugene]

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In 2006, I bought a petrol Prado GXL with some options (tinted, metallic paint, leather seat, rear sensor) for driveaway $52000. At that time I was able to buy a LC100 v8 for $55000 driveaway.

I couldn't believe the price hike as it's more than I expected. I considered LC200 but LC200 is also 4 months waiting thanks to Rudd's 50% tax exemption.

After the 50% tax exemption and intial interest is diminished, I expect the price will be the level that more people can afford. Also I'm a bit concerned if the current D4D is adequate for the overweighted Prado diesel.
I doubt I'd drive the prado Kakadu on off-road.

I drove a VX D4D wagon today with family,( the GXL demo was sold), we were out dor about an hour and I thought it went pretty well for for a 2.2 t diesel auto with all the crap it has, we currently drive a 6 speed auto turbo falcon, so drawing comparisons is hard but for a car with 50km on thw clock i thought it went ok.

It is super smooth on road, rides better than the Falcon, less road noise etc, AC is fantastic, super cold, the demo was black and it is 35-36dC today and it was doing it easy.

lots of nice little things inside to make your trip enjoyable, he kids all liked it, what more, even SWMBO liked it, which is unusuall, now to decide on a colour. silver or light blue???

[lawrance Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close lawrance]

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I drove a VX D4D wagon today with family,( the GXL demo was sold), we were out dor about an hour and I thought it went pretty well for for a 2.2 t diesel auto with all the crap it has, we currently drive a 6 speed auto turbo falcon, so drawing comparisons is hard but for a car with 50km on thw clock i thought it went ok.

Hi Eugene,

It's a 3.0 litre 4 cylinder turbo diesel motor, not a 2.2 litre.

Re colour, I prefer silver to light blue. :wink:

[Lakey Lurker Find all posts View Profile Close Lakey]

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Ladies and Gents

I have 2001 105 Series GXL and was waiting for the 150 - at these prices, Toyota can keep their car and I will keep my 100 Series.

Why wouldn't anyone just walk straight past a 150 to a 200?

I look at what I use my 100 for (e.g. Bourke, Wanaaring, Whitecliffs return to Melbourne of Melb Cup weekend) and I just can't see me bush bashing a $75 Prado out there!

I must be getting old or poor or something - $70-80K for a Prado GXL/Kakadu ???

I am missing something here

Ken

I agree with your comments. I had a look at a new Kakadu and there is no way it is a 90-100K vehicle. Nice car but that money is far better invested in an LC 200 or Disco 4 if 4wding is your thing. For my money I will be a former Prado owner when the 120 lease expires unless Toyata get realistic about prices and inclusions.

[Walker Member Find all posts View Profile Close Walker]

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Interesting reading this thread. I am coming in from the opposite direction. At the moment I own a NS Pajero but and am ready to trade in and am lookign at the Prado. I agree with all the comments about the price increase, but all the 4WD's have increased prices lately (except Pootrol and why would you want that. :lol: ).

I think the Pajero is great value for money and from my expreience with this one they do hold their value pretty good, but the motor is just too noisy as is road noise. After looking around at all the options I am starting to run out of options. The new D4 with the 3.0l motor is just way too much at $83k, and I have not had good experiences with LR before. The new Challenger is even more agricultural and noisy than the Pajero and the motor is too small so that is out. Even the Pajero has gone up in price and it will now cost about $66k for a VRX. I think I have decided I would rather spend an extra $8k and get the Prado VX assuming I can get the same deal other have been getting at $74k drive away.

The other option is the 3 door. Has anyone on here bout a ZR yet. I would love to know what sort of price I should be aiming to get one of these at.

[BIGBLACKDOG Lurker Find all posts View Profile Close BIGBLACKDOG]

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I collected a new VX TD 4 days ago. Made the move away from Discovery after a Horror run with breakdowns and the lack of spare parts not just in Australia but on the Planet. I was almost tempted with the new D4 but the VX is almost $10,000 cheaper and I hope that Toyota have a much better after sales back up.Let alone a much better resale. The resale on Disco's is very poor.
Just heard from the car broker who is selling the disco for me that the Clutch cylinder has just gone. (6 year old vehicle) Past repairs include: Power steering replaced, Fuel tank and Fuel Lines replaced, ABS processor failure($$$$), SRS airbag system lights indicate failure. Diesel regulator failure ( twice) and a starter motor. Perhaps it was a Friday build. Glad to see the back of it

My initial impressions of the VX Prado are that it is an outstanding Vehicle. Ride comfort is Brilliant, very quiet on the road.
Heading for Central Eyre Penninsula next week so looking forward to seeing how it goes off road and on a long drive.
I thought they looked a bit odd to start with but now really like the look. At this early stage no regrets at all.
Pleasantly suprised by power from The D4D engine after reading several posts that suggested it was sluggish. Will see how it goes getting past the roadtrains next week
Craig

[D4Dazz Member Find all posts View Profile Close D4Dazz]

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I have to agree with all the post regarding the over priced 150, however prices will come down.

My regular dealer rand me the other day to inform me he a GX Manual ready for a test drive, which I did, and yes it great just like the current 120. Should be there is no difference in powerplant.

Went inside and completed a 2nd quote for me. He did a quote for the week they came out for a GX Man with extras and it was drive away $57K (this inc Fleet) and 2 wks later he does another quote and it has already it has come down to $54K. I told him I'm in no hurry and unless the Fleet and Dealer Bonus are better I will probably be driving a Nissan or a Mitzy. Time is on my side luckily!

My point is just wait til the dust settles and it will come down......maybe. MOst l;ike ly not enough for though.

I also read above that the Challenges motor is too small. Yes its a 2.5ltr, but it produces similar numbers to the Prado with a mamual box. 400mn is plenty to tow my Jayco Offroad CT.

[mcsumway Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close mcsumway]

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Hey D4Dazz

Peak figures and torque curves are two different things.

Sure the 2.5 peaks at a similar figure of 400NM but the curve would be more peaky.

For towing you want a very flat torque curve - like the old V8 - had torque everywhere.

This is the thing that Toyota seem to do better than others. Maybe their engines don't have the same peak but they have a solid curve that makes them feel more drivable than a peaky option.

[D4Dazz Member Find all posts View Profile Close D4Dazz]

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Mcsumway, I totally agree and would take the Prado ten times over almost any 4x4 on the market for what I want to use it for, but I can not accept nearly $10K difference in price between a Challenger and a Prado.

I've had 2 Prado fro new, a 2004 120 with 5spd manual and my current ride the 2007 120 with 6spd manual. The 2004 was a rock with old 3.0ltr TD however it died in the arse on steep hills when I was towing my old Tambo CT. That said it hung on for allot longer than my mates petrol Prado. Fastforward 2007 D4D 3.0ltr TD and its a pleasure to tow. I now hav a Jayco Outback CT which is allot heavier and the D4D eats it.

Anyway back on topic yes the Prado is a much better vehicle in build qualtiy and performance.....my point is simple....it's not $10K better.

Buts thanks for the feedback!

[mcsumway Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close mcsumway]

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No probs Daz

The challenger will certainly live up to its name as it seems to be priced where a lot of people want to trade. The only problem for me is the lack of manual transmission option on mid level models with seven seats. My wife and i are very much manual drivers but its getting harder and harder to get them - sure the autos are far better but we like to be involved with the driving process more.

Its also a size smaller than the Prado and this was the main reason we chose it as our family of five needs more room.

Warren

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Just heard from the car broker who is selling the disco for me that the Clutch cylinder has just gone. (6 year old vehicle) Past repairs include: Power steering replaced, Fuel tank and Fuel Lines replaced, ABS processor failure($$$$), SRS airbag system lights indicate failure. Diesel regulator failure ( twice) and a starter motor. Perhaps it was a Friday build. Glad to see the back of it

Same sort of issues that plagued the Range Rover (any Rover, really) since it was first put on the market. I think we have had about 6 of them in the family over the years and the best of them would still drive you to despair with early part failures and ridiculous service costs compared to equivalent vehicles from almost any other brand. It's a real shame because some of the designs have been great.

Michael

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Having recently bought a gxl 150 Turbo Diesel, and comparing to my wife's '03 exceed TD, it's a no brainer between the Paj and the Prado for me.

I've been weighing up the pro's and cons ever since I found out the new prado was being released.

In fairness to the Pajero Exceed, it is 6 years old, but the difference in road noise (and engine to a lesser degree) is truly amazing.......The prado
is whisper quite and refined in comaparison. Yes, the new Paj does have more grunt, but in my opinion no where near as good resale value.
I guess initial costs is justified by retained value in my eyes, and each to their own I guess

Thats my rant and two bobs worth! :roll:

[PradoBoy72 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close PradoBoy72]

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The prado
is whisper quite and refined in comaparison. Yes, the new Paj does have more grunt, but in my opinion no where near as good resale value.
I guess initial costs is justified by retained value in my eyes, and each to their own I guess

Thats my rant and two bobs worth! :roll:

If you are paying a premium price you are praying it hold its value over the competitors who cost less in the first place, it's just good economics

[Eugene Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Eugene]

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Mcsumway, I totally agree and would take the Prado ten times over almost any 4x4 on the market for what I want to use it for, but I can not accept nearly $10K difference in price between a Challenger and a Prado.

I've had 2 Prado fro new, a 2004 120 with 5spd manual and my current ride the 2007 120 with 6spd manual. The 2004 was a rock with old 3.0ltr TD however it died in the arse on steep hills when I was towing my old Tambo CT. That said it hung on for allot longer than my mates petrol Prado. Fastforward 2007 D4D 3.0ltr TD and its a pleasure to tow. I now hav a Jayco Outback CT which is allot heavier and the D4D eats it.

Anyway back on topic yes the Prado is a much better vehicle in build qualtiy and performance.....my point is simple....it's not $10K better.

Buts thanks for the feedback!

I fail to see how anyone can compare the Chalenger to the New Prado, the Chalenger is Basicly a Triton, same chassis, engine etc, the Prado is in a different leauge alltogether, I have driven the current series triton alot, as an onsite service vehicle, and when light loaded, they go well, however when you hang a Lighting plant off the back of the that goes around 1000kg, they dont like it at all, alot of clutch slipping, and slow going on hills, the engine is too peaky and the drive train is fragile, we had several transfer box issues when used for heavy towing, 4wd failing to engage etc.

If you are after a Cheap run around that can take you up the beach the Chalenger may be it, but it isnt in the same class as a prado, and dont get me started on Mitsibishi resale, I would put it in the same leauge as Jaguar and Jeep, non existant.