Bull Bars Under Threat

[photoprado Avid PP Poster! Find all posts View Profile Close photoprado]

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but seriously when was the last time you saw a roo or a 80kg pig in the middle of the road complying with EU standards.

That's right. They have Deer, Moose and wild Boar to worry about. Don't worry, they have decent size wildlife to hit... They even have spawned a test that failed a version of the Mercedes A Class because it rolled whilst trying the 'moose avoidance test'

They don't strike many pedestrians on the highway though...

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but seriously when was the last time you saw a roo or a 80kg pig in the middle of the road complying with EU standards.

That's right. They have Deer, Moose and wild Boar to worry about. Don't worry, they have decent size wildlife to hit... They even have spawned a test that failed a version of the Mercedes A Class because it rolled whilst trying the 'moose avoidance test'

They don't strike many pedestrians on the highway though...

I don't understand why we are comparing the EU to AUS! The countries over there are so vastly different in just about every aspect of life to what we have here. The climates, road design, accessibility, wildlife! They use spikes in their tyres - we don't. They have unlimited speed zones - we (for the most part) do not.

I honestly can't see the resemblance?

Why should we now say that it is ok to convert to car designs that ULTIMATELY are made for completely different environments than what we get here? So they don't have bullbars in the UK, so what, the guys out here (on the oilrig - mostly UK and EU) that own SUVs in the UK and the EU would love to have the options to add such accessories to their cars as bullbars.

Has anyone actually thought about this from the other side yet - do the people in the EU actually like their rules and regulations??? Would they prefer something more like what we have? Maybe there is a minority group there that has been pushed to the side and forgotten about? Ignored...

As it is our great outdoors, our backyard and our country is slowly being taken away from us - can't go there, can't do this, shouldn't do that - don't have fun! And yet here we are, its ok some say, take one more thing away... Where will it stop? Cos if they win one, they'll not stop - it will just move back to the lifts, or SUVs in general, or tyres or national parks and recreation parks...

What next?

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I don't understand why we are comparing the EU to AUS! The countries over there are so vastly different in just about every aspect of life to what we have here. The climates, road design, accessibility, wildlife! They use spikes in their tyres - we don't. They have unlimited speed zones - we (for the most part) do not.

I honestly can't see the resemblance?

It has been going on for some time. The HID light issue about auto levelling and washers is a direct copy of the standards in Europe. Nothing new here.

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I don't understand why we are comparing the EU to AUS! The countries over there are so vastly different in just about every aspect of life to what we have here. The climates, road design, accessibility, wildlife! They use spikes in their tyres - we don't. They have unlimited speed zones - we (for the most part) do not.

I honestly can't see the resemblance?

Really?

We enjoy the fruits of the resemblance every day we start up our cars and drive on the road. We have roads, they have roads; We have cars, they have cars; we have pedestrians, they have pedestrians. We crash cars and run into pedestrians, so do they. :shock:

The difference is that they have a lot more of all of those things, which gives them the market size to develop the vehicle designs we either buy or copy, and the safety research our local industry would never, ever have a snowballs chance in hell of developing if it wasn't for the access to euro technology (and the market asking for it)

We want safe cars. The problem is we're scared of change when it comes to our bull bars. We hate the idea of a plastic bar, even if people reckon the first generation actually work.

The canary is out of the cage, and it won't be easy to put it back. The euros set the standard for vehicle safety, their cars have been on sale here with repeated and significant safety advances engineered into them. The public want that, demand it from our 'local' manufacturers, and our governments are not interested in stopping it. You could argue that it is one of their jobs to make sure it happens. What are we telling them that is different from the general public? Just that we want that safety, but not that safety. We need to be careful or we won't sound believable.

By all means, fill out all the surveys and lobby your local members, heck we might just be able to slow things down some, but don't be surprised when ARB and TJM decide that it is possible to design a pedestrian friendly bull bar (despite what they say now) and in a few years, we'll be wondering what all the fuss was about while be bounce the odd roo into the bushes with our modern pedestrian friendly 'frontal protection systems'

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Here's one for ya, perfect example! but I will shorten the story a bit.
Yesterday whilst driving in the car (not the prado) got to within 30mtrs of a pedestrian crossing that is controlled by traffic lights, I had a green light (was green for ages even before I got to it), and a heap of people started to cross, without any rush either, I got to within a few meters of them and blasted the horn, scared the living crap out of them, but they then turned around and started yelling something back at me, (took me all my strength to not stop and beat the crap out of them). Just goes to show the stupidity of pedestrians at times.

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I don't understand why we are comparing the EU to AUS! The countries over there are so vastly different in just about every aspect of life to what we have here. The climates, road design, accessibility, wildlife! They use spikes in their tyres - we don't. They have unlimited speed zones - we (for the most part) do not.

I honestly can't see the resemblance?

Really?

We enjoy the fruits of the resemblance every day we start up our cars and drive on the road. We have roads, they have roads; We have cars, they have cars; we have pedestrians, they have pedestrians. We crash cars and run into pedestrians, so do they. :shock:

The difference is that they have a lot more of all of those things, which gives them the market size to develop the vehicle designs we either buy or copy, and the safety research our local industry would never, ever have a snowballs chance in hell of developing if it wasn't for the access to euro technology (and the market asking for it)

We want safe cars. The problem is we're scared of change when it comes to our bull bars. We hate the idea of a plastic bar, even if people reckon the first generation actually work.

The canary is out of the cage, and it won't be easy to put it back. The euros set the standard for vehicle safety, their cars have been on sale here with repeated and significant safety advances engineered into them. The public want that, demand it from our 'local' manufacturers, and our governments are not interested in stopping it. You could argue that it is one of their jobs to make sure it happens. What are we telling them that is different from the general public? Just that we want that safety, but not that safety. We need to be careful or we won't sound believable.

By all means, fill out all the surveys and lobby your local members, heck we might just be able to slow things down some, but don't be surprised when ARB and TJM decide that it is possible to design a pedestrian friendly bull bar (despite what they say now) and in a few years, we'll be wondering what all the fuss was about while be bounce the odd roo into the bushes with our modern pedestrian friendly 'frontal protection systems'

Hi PP

I think this is a really thought out post and probably sums up what I have tried, probably unsuccessfully, to write about.

But I think until those opposed to the proposed changes (try saying that after six beers) can get their heads around the fact that pedestrians hit by cars dont actually conform to one particular moron walking into cars on purpose but to our kids, friends and loved ones as well it will go around in circles.

Once you get past that BS its easier to see the forest and the trees

cheers all

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So this wouldn't be legal???

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Be interesting to see how that looks hanging off the front end of a 150 Prado, come on all you Photoshop experts, lets have some fun.

Regards, Richo.

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And these couple of guys must've have decided to off-load before the new rules might take effect:

Bullbar for ute

Bullbar for Landcruiser

Bullbar for Navara

[tassie tiger Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close tassie tiger]

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So this wouldn't be legal???

Just needs a bit of padding 8)

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And these couple of guys must've have decided to off-load before the new rules might take effect:

Bullbar for ute

Bullbar for Landcruiser

Bullbar for Navara

I think these are the bullbars everyone is talking about, none of them would be legal as they are not air bag complient. But anyone who pays those prices for that crap needs to be put down.

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I have done my duty and sent off the protest email to Mr Anthony Albenese (via the 4WD Action website)

Bullbars dont kill people, just as guns dont kill people. I just want the government to leave us innocent people alone. Lock up the dickheads, sure, but don't blame the machinery...

This is big news in Regional Australia. Here is the front page of todays Central Western Daily



http://www.centralwesterndaily.com.au/n ... 62607.aspx

[tassie tiger Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close tassie tiger]

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Bullbars dont kill people, just as guns dont kill people. I just want the government to leave us innocent people alone. Lock up the dickheads, sure, but don't blame the machinery...

Seriously, why cant we just be honest?

Bullbars prevent vehicle damage in rural areas. Motorists of rural australia want assurances that they can adequately protect their vehicles and this needs to be taken into account with any new design rule.

Easy, simple, honest.


(I edited out some argumentative stuff - cheers)

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Bullbars dont kill people, just as guns dont kill people. I just want the government to leave us innocent people alone. Lock up the dickheads, sure, but don't blame the machinery...

Seriously, why cant we just be honest?

Bullbars prevent vehicle damage in rural areas. Motorists of rural australia want assurances that they can adequately protect their vehicles and this needs to be taken into account with any new design rule.

Easy, simple, honest.


(I edited out some argumentative stuff - cheers)

Yes but! the current proposal is to adopt the european standards. This means no bullbars steel, aluminium or plastic. I far as i can ascertain the much promoted smartbar in this thread will not meet the euro standards. That means if the current proposal is accepted the only protection from animal strikes will be your plastic bumber bar. Once again if you are arguing for something in between what we now have and the Euro standards, show me the statistics on how many Australians are hit by bullbars resulting in worse injuries than would have been sustained with smartbar. Don't worry i know you can't show me the stats because there are none.

So lets be honest, those arguing for change are basing their argument on no evidence at all, for all we know you might be arguing for saving 1 person from getting a broken leg instead of a bruise. Now that would be worth spending millions of dollars on wouldn't it. Yes i know it is likely to be worse but how much worse? nobody knows. End or argument as far as i am concerned.

Cheers Andrew

[tassie tiger Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close tassie tiger]

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HI Andrew

It doesnt have to be the entire standard. As with everything there can be exemptions.

But thats the end of the argument as you say.

See you in the scrub (or on the side of the highway with a roo in my grille ) :lol:

cheers

TT