Anyone got Kings KTFR-101HD springs fitted?

[gumboot]

Ok so its been three days, and a bit of driving and it has now settled to
Front - 815mm now
Rears - 805mm now
With the gear in as above.

So the front settled about 10mm since installing
I still have the 30KG winch to install.

Cheers

[gumboot]

I have a pair of KTFR-101s over Konis on the front of the 95. They have sagged badly. With the weight of a steel bar, dual batteries and a Avenger 9500 rope winch, it is to much for springs. I will have to go with the HD series or something else.
I see you got that winch fitted Gumboots, good one mate.
The Roo.

John,
I havn't got the winch on yet but I have settled on the avenger mako 9.5 though. torq4x4 are going to do it hopefully in the next few weeks.
Cheers
Robert

[1coolbanana]

Well done.
I hope you have front and rear dimensions the wrong way around?
Thats about spot on if you do.
Cheers

[gumboot]

I put on Bilsteins on the middle clip. Springs are KTFR-101H on the front and KTRR-102 on the rear.
They recommend not to go HD's in the front as they were too stiff.

In the rear I have black widow draws, Frige, cargo barrier and about 50KG of gear in the draws and a full 180 litres of diesel.
In the front I have the ARB Deluxe bar, lights, battery, bash plates.

Front heights are 825mm now
Rears heights are 805mm now

I expect it to settle a little, then I have 30KG of winch and about 30kg of AMTS Bash plates to fit up as well.
I expect the front to be around 800ish at that stage.
They recommend to run the front tyres at 45 psi and the rears at 40PSI. I felt this a little to high and feels it makes the front end steering a bit light so will try dropping the front to about 40ish to see what difference that makes.
Cheers

I believe the Tough Dog TDC974H is the same specification coil as Kings KTFR-101HD because Kings Springs manufacture the TDC974H coils for Tough Dog. Marc (1coolbanana) has Tough Dog TDC974H coils fitted to his Grande with Tough Dog adjustable shocks and has reported 790mm with ARB bar, so IMHO with either the KTFR-101HD or TDC974H you should get 800mm at the middle circlip position on the Bilstein, even with a winch.

[double_d69]

Hi mate
Ive tried contacting Icon and cant get any response to emails.
They dont have the Prado in the US and couldnt get the equivalents that are suitable either!

Have you got contact info of where to get this stuff from that you could share?

BTW, are they adjustable without removing them?

Yeah you need to order the ones for the 07-09 FJ Cruiser (same as Prado). I got the extended travel ones which I'd recommend.... up to you if you want to spend the extra $$ for remote res. Call Demello Offroad, they were very helpful and shipping was quick. http://www.demello-offroad.com/catal...roducts_id=254

Yep adjustable with that spanner - you can get from demello

Another thing they did for me was reduce the invoice amount under $1000 so I didn't get stung GST

[Peterpilot]

Hi mate
Ive tried contacting Icon and cant get any response to emails.
They dont have the Prado in the US and couldnt get the equivalents that are suitable either!

Have you got contact info of where to get this stuff from that you could share?

BTW, are they adjustable without removing them?

ICON are adjustable without removal as long as you have the optional ICON spanner wrench tool:
http://www.polyperformance.com/shop/...em-p-1381.html
Also, at the recent 4x4 show at Eastern Creek dragway, the Toughdog stand had some coilovers that they were displaying to get an idea of what interest there may be in that product. They are similar in design to ICON and according to Toughdog could also be adjusted without removal. Maybe give them a call and express your interest.

[1coolbanana]

Marc, isn't the Prado in the US branded as a Lexus GX470?

Dunno? Isnt that a V8?

I thought maybe the FJ would be the mechanical equivalent since it has the same running gear??

[craigm]

Marc, isn't the Prado in the US branded as a Lexus GX470?

[1coolbanana]

go adjustable coilovers such as Icon

Hi mate
Ive tried contacting Icon and cant get any response to emails.
They dont have the Prado in the US and couldnt get the equivalents that are suitable either!

Have you got contact info of where to get this stuff from that you could share?

BTW, are they adjustable without removing them?

[double_d69]

I went through all this with trying to get the correct height.... in the end I just bit the bullet and went shopping in the US. If you can afford it go adjustable coilovers such as Icon with a light racing UCA and toytec diff drop... all up cost you around $1800 in delivery, best ride you will ever get and the most travel... plus you can adjust your height at any time to suit

[Way2go]

Well, back from my travels and the front hasn't changed - still sitting around the 803-805 mark. Very happy with the ride still, definitely glad I went for the HDs.

That said, it is going back in tomorrow for some repairs resulting from the trip. Basically blew the strut out the top of the bracket on the Cordillo Downs road (though at least we didn't have the problems of the 2 vehicles towing caravans that were ahead of us - came around a corner to find them sprayed across the road and being loaded onto a flatbed after hitting an unmarked washout at 80km/h, suspension gone, tyres blown completely off rims, etc.), so now I need to pay for all the labour again to pull the front apart and fit new Bilsteins..... At least the repair in Innamincka got us home.

(Also starred the windscreen and shattered a fog light on the Birdsville Track, and popped 2 rear sensors out of the rear bumper on the Oodnadatta Track......)

[1coolbanana]

Its all even more strange now as I just went to the weighbridge and my weight out front is 1180 and rear is 1120 thats with 100 litres on board, extra batteries and fridge in back.
So Im carrying 100kg less than craigm at the front and with theoretically the same spring as Kings HD I am sitting at 780 and craig was nearly 820 with an extra 100kg.
The centre circlip position should only account for about 15mm so it all still doest make any sense, there is still 25mm unaccounted for

But in saying all that, Tough Dog tell me what I have got is what they expect and is spot on!!

I need a spring spacer!

[1coolbanana]

Let me know if you need the diff drop spacer. The bashplates already cater for a diff drop.

No worries, Ill wait for when the plates are ready and if I proceed with the extra lift.
Thanks

It may also create CV issues

Let me know if you need the diff drop spacer. The bashplates already cater for a diff drop.

[1coolbanana]

How about a strut spacer?

Hi Andrew
The problem with the strut spacer is that because the Tough Dog has so much extension that at max droop the UCA just touches the spring now.
Unfortunately the strut spacer will exaggerate that and max droop will end up with too much interference with the spring.
It may also create CV issues
I need to maintain the current max droop and just try and pre-load the spring a little more or a different spring.

Marc,
I suspect the Ironman spacer actually fits between a sliding spring seat and a fixed collar on the Ironman strut. The Ultimate Suspension use a similar system to adjust the spring seat height on their struts. I found this picture with a Google image search:

Awwww, bugger, that wont work for me and the TD then





A 5mm strut spacer will give about 10mm lift, but will also increase the total downward suspension travel (droop) to about 900mm by increasing the strut length of the TD strut to 569mm. With this sort of travel you may need to fit a diff drop to stop the CV from binding and the upper control arm will probably contact the spring at full travel.

Yeah, dont want to go there as the UCA already touches, not to mention the other issues.

Marc,
You could also fit Toughdog Hilux front struts, but the spring seat is fitted 15-20mm higher on the Hilux strut, which would give you a ride height of about 820-830mm and all the wheel alignment issues that are associated with that height.

Been thinking about that too, and may be a possibility with a shorter spring, but like you say, many other problems associated with doing that.