Rhino Rack Pioneer Tray - which size did you buy and why?

[Borec]

Bought Rhino Pioneer Platform (2128mm x 1426mm) - 42104B, because I wanted the largest possible, and also I could get it for $580 including postage (I was lucky)

I know this is oversized platform, and not specifically recommended for Prado 120, and was made aware that I will need to drill some holes here and there to make it fit, I was willing to do so in order to get more space as now and then I want to put my JB roof top tent three as well as other things.

I have also decided to ditch the factory roof rails and got the RLCP 03 legs for Prado 120

I had to drill an extra pair of holes for the rear cross bars, but that was OK.

I have also found out that I have been extremely lucky, and the JB tent just fits in by millimetres. If I would have bought the narrower platform the north-south planks would be in the way of the fitting rail, which also runs north-south.

Picture are here:
Borec' build

[PugzMikey]

Hi guys

Any one got a photo of a 15xxx by 12xxx ?
Keen on one for our kaka, the mrs want to have the sunroof clear still not sure if it will

I'm also looking at Pioneer Platform for the Kakadu - and tossing up between a 18xx long and a 15xx long due to the sunroof. Also considering between the SX (fits to the rails) and the normal (fits to legs / crossbars). I measured the roof for a 15xx by 12xx, and judging by where the SX would fit onto the rails it looks like the sunroof would be clear. No photos though as I haven't done it yet.

I recently istalled the 15xx on my Kaka. I ended up installing it a bit further back than the instructions say because it would have covered the sunroof slightly, but only by about 70mm. No photos at the moment, but can take some if there is still interest...

[Borec]

On my vehicle, there is a plank from 27cm to 42cm from the centre.

Thanks for that tdprado, seems like I might have a problem :-(

[tdprado]

Hi, I hava JB roof tent, and looking into putting it onto the Pioneer Platform (2128mm x 1236mm) - #42107B, now the attachment rail on the JB tent are 64 cm apart. So I need to know what is the spacing of the North- South planks on the platform, and what is the space between them, if there is space to fit the tent to the East -West bars. The tent is 1.4m wide, so the attachment rail runs North South 32 cm east and west from the centre of the tent. So basically I need to know if there are no North South planks running at 32 east and west from the centre line of the vehicle.
Thanks

On my vehicle, there is a plank from 27cm to 42cm from the centre.

[Borec]

Hi, I hava JB roof tent, and looking into putting it onto the Pioneer Platform (2128mm x 1236mm) - #42107B, now the attachment rail on the JB tent are 64 cm apart. So I need to know what is the spacing of the North- South planks on the platform, and what is the space between them, if there is space to fit the tent to the East -West bars. The tent is 1.4m wide, so the attachment rail runs North South 32 cm east and west from the centre of the tent. So basically I need to know if there are no North South planks running at 32 east and west from the centre line of the vehicle.
Thanks

[Kurt]

Hi guys

Any one got a photo of a 15xxx by 12xxx ?
Keen on one for our kaka, the mrs want to have the sunroof clear still not sure if it will

I'm also looking at Pioneer Platform for the Kakadu - and tossing up between a 18xx long and a 15xx long due to the sunroof. Also considering between the SX (fits to the rails) and the normal (fits to legs / crossbars). I measured the roof for a 15xx by 12xx, and judging by where the SX would fit onto the rails it looks like the sunroof would be clear. No photos though as I haven't done it yet.

[Phs]

Hi guys

Any one got a photo of a 15xxx by 12xxx ?
Keen on one for our kaka, the mrs want to have the sunroof clear still not sure if it will

There's also this post. Bold font was done by me.

Graphite Bullet, I have been in discussion with Rhino re CXB adaptors for 150 Prado rails. Here is my communication with Rhino so far...

Lisa,

Just sending you this email as an inquiry into a release date for a CXB clamp for the heavy duty roof racks to suit a 150 series Toyota Prado? Our previous corrospondance is outlined below.

Regards
Paul


Date: 9 April 2010 0:08:14 AEST
To: Lisa Campbell <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Web Enquiry Rhino : Retailer Enquiry On 1/04/2010

Lisa,

Thankyou for the positive reply this time. It is positive that a company does listen to the consumers to try and meet their needs and requirements in the products that they produce. I do believe that by manufacturing a second sized CXB clamp for the heavy duty rails you will in fact please all the 150 series Prado owners as well as obtain new clients with vehicles that were not suited to the current CXB clamp especially as more and more vehicles are coming out with rails as standard equipment.

I will be waiting in anticipation for a release date on this new sized CXB clamp. Should you require a guinea pig to trial the new CXB clamp I would be more than happy to assist so as to be able to utilise my heavy duty bars and alloy rack sooner (somewhat selfish but anything to help out).

Rhino does make a quality product and as I have mentioned I have chosen your product over your competitors due to quality, functionality as well as the way it looks. I only recently purchased my Sunseeket awning and extension after looking at all the available options on the market and choosing the Rhino one on the design as well as quality. We also choose Rhino as our roof rack supplier on our work vehicles, so know that I am a fan of your product.

Looking forward to your update email advising on projected release date. If suitable I would be more than happy to comment on your pending production of a CXB clamp to suit the 150 series Prado on Pradopoint.com if you wish for this information to be released. I'm sure there are more than just myself that would like to use their Rhini racks on the new Prado.

Regards,
Paul

On 08/04/2010, at 23:45, "Lisa Campbell" <[email protected]> wrote:

Hi Paul,

Appreciate the feedback you have provided bellow regarding Rhino Rack not having available a Heavy Duty CXB Rail Clamp to suit the Toyota Prado 150 Series with Factory Rails.

Rhino Rack do look into all feedbacks and requests and in this case have acted to now put into development an adaptor to allow the Heavy Duty Bars to fit the Prado Rails. I am unable to provide a time frame of when this adaptor will be available. I will email you with an update once it comes to hand.

Thank You again for your Feedback!

Kind Regards

Lisa Campbell
Sales & Customer Service
RHINO-RACK AUSTRALIA
Phone: 02 9638 4744
Fax: 02 9638 4822
Email: [email protected]
Website: http://www.rhinorack.com.au


Sent: Tuesday, 6 April 2010 7:55 PM
To: Lisa Campbell
Subject: Re: Web Enquiry Rhino : Retailer Enquiry On 1/04/2010

Lisa,

Surely with the amount of new Prado's that will be purchased as well as other models that have a similar sized rail, a company like Rhino would manufacture a suitable clamp. I don't understand that you can make clamps for the sports rack to suit each different vehicles rail but only make one sized CXB type clamp to suit the heavy duty bars that I know many Prado owners have with a similar setup with the alloy basket. On the forum site Prado Point the fact about the non fitting CXB clamps has been discussed with negative comments.

The reason that I went with the Rhino brand with alloy basket was quality but also ease of being able to remove the basket with racks when not required. Therefore the scenario you offered does not suit my application.

I now have no option but to see what your opposition has to offer me.

In conclusion I believe that Rhino should reconsider the option of producing a 2nd different sized CXB clamp to suit the larger rails on the 150 series Prado. I know that Subaru Forresters have a larger height rail.

Regards,

Paul


On 01/04/2010, at 16:41, "Lisa Campbell" <[email protected]> wrote:

Hello Paul,

Thank you for your inquiry regarding a CXB leg suiting your new Toyota Prado 150 Series.

Due to the rails not being a standard size rail, Rhino will not be releasing a CXB style leg clamp to suit.

The rails are able to be removed to expose the 3 sets of points underneath. Would recommend the manufacture “Toyota” to remove the rails due to warranty reasons. Once rails are removed you can purchase the leg kits to suit the heavy duty bars and still fit your Alloy Tray, Shovel Holders, Jerry Cans & Sunseeker Awning.

The leg kits are available to purchase as a set of 6 legs (enough for all 3 points) or to purchase as individual points (2 legs per fixing points).

Part# RLCP23 (6 x H/Duty Leg Kit)
RRP: $285.00 inc gst

Or per individual point position (Front, Middle & Rear)
Part# RLCP23F (2 x H/duty Leg Kit – Front Position)
RRP: $95.00 inc gst
Part# RLCP23M (2 x H/duty Leg Kit – Middle Position)
RRP: $95.00 inc gst
Part# RLCP23R (2 x H/duty Leg Kit – Rear Position)
RRP: $95.00 inc gst
Please note the load rating on the roof rack system for the Toyota Prado 150 Series without Rails is:
2 x Bars = 75kg
3 x Bars = 100kg

You also need to take in account the drop in carrying capacity of 15% of the total load rating when you go off road.

If you require any further information please email me at [email protected] or contact Rhino Rack’s customer service team on 02 9638 4744.

Kind Regards

Lisa Campbell
Sales & Customer Service
RHINO-RACK AUSTRALIA
Phone: 02 9638 4744
Fax: 02 9638 4822
Email: [email protected]
Website: http://www.rhinorack.com.au

[RB80]

Cheers mate, you've been a few steps ahead the whole time, thanks for your patience.

Thought there'd be something like that but couldn't find it.

Refer here http://vpm.cdn.rhinorack.com.au/Inst...ions/RTPB1.pdf

So really no diff for on road and a few kg extra for off road?

For onroad and using Toyota's roof capacity and 2128mm long with backcone, payload = 100kg - 27.5kg - 9kg = 63.5kg.

The alternate is the 1928mm long platform mounted to 6 legs. The payload = 100kg - 25kg - 2kg = 73kg.

So the shorter platform with the 6 legs yields more payload.

Toyota don't have a load rating for offroad.

[RB80]

Thought there'd be something like that but couldn't find it.

So really no diff for on road and a few kg extra for off road?

The backbone fitting instructions says to use the lower of the 2 load rating : RR vs Toyota. As Toyota says 100kg.....

[RB80]

May have found some scraps on RR website that does indicate a small load rating difference, the biggest being static rating (because the RLCP static rating isn't listed).

Pls see attached.



Static: 360
backbone - on road:120
backbone - off road: 80

RLCP - on road: 100
RLCP - off road: 67

Say the backbone is approx 9kg as advertised and the RLCP 6 leg set is 2kg (am only guessing), then the difference in ratings means backbone system buys you ~13kg on road and ~6kg off road in extra load rating.

[trsmith]

Ahh from memory its 120kg of load while on the highway.. compared to 100kg (??) with the other mounting style. All the info is readily available on the Rhino website....

As for cleaning, Im not sure yet, I haven't got it dirty enough. I'll work that out when I get to it. Even if it is a bit tricky, I still reckon the pro's outweigh the cons..! Pros: stronger, looks better (my opinion); Cons: Maybe tricky to wash roof?

Manual says do not exceed 80kg on the roof. Good luck with an insurance claim if you had 120kg on the roof :P

Okay time for a few dumb questions, how much extra load rating does the backbone system add to the 150 considering it appears to still use 6 legs, and how do you clean the roof?

No extra. In fact because the backbone is heavier, the actual payload is reduced.