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  • Recovery points on Prado 150 fitted with genuine Toyota bull bar?

    Recently purchased my Prado 150 (2017) - second hand, low mileage and fitted with genuine tow bar and bull bar. Now looking to fit recovery points on the front of the vehicle but it seems its impossible with the Toyota bull bar fitted? Both ARB and TJM say you cant do it as the necessary holes are consumed or covered by the bullbar. Seems staggering that Toyota would make a great 4WD that cant be recovered if its fitted with their bull bar!! Any ideas/help would be greatly appreciated.

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    I've got an ARB bar. Not sure about the Toyota bar. Can you post some photos of where the bar mounts to the chassis so we understand the issue?
    On the ARB bar, I removed two of the bolts and installed the recovery points using these mounting holes with the longer bolts supplied with the recovery points. Does that not work with the Toyota bar?
    Prado_The_2nd now on my Third Prado (and 2 Landcruisers before that!)
    2012 Altitude, Petrol
    ARB Deluxe Bar, Towbar, Driving Lights and bits and pieces of other tech.

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    • #3
      I believe that ARB actually make the "genuine" bars for Toyota so seems surprising that you can't fit recovery points.
      With the ARB recovery points they need to R&R the bar to fit them perhaps it is the same with the Toyota genuine bar.

      Lee
      '18 VX, Billies with Dobinson springs, Summit bar with Narva Enhanced Optics to help my old eyes

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      • #4
        Thanks Prado the 2nd - I attach a couple of photos - one showing the bar and the other showing where the bar attaches to the chasis

        RC

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        • #5
          Hi RC57. Sorry for the delay, haven't checked the forum for a couple of days.

          EDIT: After posting the information below, I have just noticed that the recovery points say THEY WILL NOT fit the 2017 model with Genuine bullbar.. However, if you check this series of posts, it looks like they DO FIT. You just need to pack out the rear mounting point as per my instructions below. There are better photos in the other post though:

          I don't think you need to remove the bar. I don't have a photo of my drivers side recovery point. My photo is of the passenger side (ie: mirror image) but from memory both sides were near identical. I am fairly sure you will find that the front mounting point that you need is the lower bolt on your Toyota bar (see image below). That hole is threaded so you can just remove the bolt. Do one side at a time so the bullbar doesn't move. Replace this bolt with the longer ones supplied with your recovery point.

          The 2nd mounting hole is further back on the chassis rail, which is not shown on your photo, but will be just off your photo at the top left. I've tried to indicate this in my diagram. This hole is not threaded, so you will need to use the "nut on the wire" which comes with the recovery points. You feed the nut through the slot which is a little further back on the chassis rail (which you can see in my photo just to the right of the rear bolt).

          One issue you will probably encounter, however, is the recovery point won't sit flush. This is because the front section sits on top of your bullbar mount. I encountered this issue with my brother's FJ Cruiser with factory nudge bar. My solution was to go down to Bunnings and buy a few (for each side) of these square washers which I used to pack-out the rear mounting point.

          By the way, I purchased these recover points: https://www.roadrunneroffroad.com.au...prado-150-pair

          Always best to use both for the recovery with a bridle strap between them. This kit contains everything you need. https://www.roadrunneroffroad.com.au...very-point-kit
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          Prado_The_2nd
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          Last edited by Prado_The_2nd; 16-01-2020, 09:39 PM.
          Prado_The_2nd now on my Third Prado (and 2 Landcruisers before that!)
          2012 Altitude, Petrol
          ARB Deluxe Bar, Towbar, Driving Lights and bits and pieces of other tech.

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            Prado_The_2nd
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            Last edited by Prado_The_2nd; 16-01-2020, 09:39 PM.
            Prado_The_2nd now on my Third Prado (and 2 Landcruisers before that!)
            2012 Altitude, Petrol
            ARB Deluxe Bar, Towbar, Driving Lights and bits and pieces of other tech.

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            • #7
              Thanks Prado the 2nd (who was the first!?) - some good stuff there.

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              • #8
                Chose my username when I bought my 2nd Prado. Seemed like a funny name at the time. Now on my third Prado and can't change the username (nor the bad humour).
                Prado_The_2nd now on my Third Prado (and 2 Landcruisers before that!)
                2012 Altitude, Petrol
                ARB Deluxe Bar, Towbar, Driving Lights and bits and pieces of other tech.

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                • #9
                  I also have a genuine Toyota alloy Bull bar fitted to my 2019 Prado GXL 150 and it came with a front bash plate. I need to fit recovery points but the existing plate covers where the recovery points mount to. Does anyone know that if I remove the front bash plate that this won’t affect the stability of the Bull bar? The reason I’m asking is the bottom of the Bull bar seems to rely on the bash plate for added stability. Thanks

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                  • #10
                    WARNING DONT BUY A GENUINE TOYOTA ALLOY BULLBAR. First, the bar is not winch compatible, second you can’t fit recovery points like ARB, Kaon etc., and third, the UHF brackets on the Bull bar are not horizontal so your aerial will not sit vertical but will “lean” in towards the centre of the bonnet. I called Galleria Toyota today and told them the bar was not fit-for-purpose and they should advertise these limitations so potential purchases are made aware of the shortcomings. Usual Toyota response…no you can’t have a refund and basically too bad so sad. I’ve seen posts on this forum about workarounds but I sincerely doubt the safety of what others have suggested. Buyers Beware!!

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                    • #11
                      Hi rc57, I agree with Prado the 2nd.
                      I think those road safe ones will fit, you my just need basic creativity to adapt them.
                      I installed the same ones with my arb bar. Slight trimming of the bash plate was needed.
                      Prado the 2nd has given you some pretty decent instructions.
                      Those factory mounting brackets are not identical to the arb ones, but I think it will still work. The best thing about the recovery points is not necessarily the section you attach the shackle too, but the way it completes the triangle and braces the points back to the chassis.
                      For $150 I’d think it’s worth the chance trying.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Sozjack View Post
                        WARNING DONT BUY A GENUINE TOYOTA ALLOY BULLBAR. First, the bar is not winch compatible, second you can’t fit recovery points like ARB, Kaon etc., and third, the UHF brackets on the Bull bar are not horizontal so your aerial will not sit vertical but will “lean” in towards the centre of the bonnet. I called Galleria Toyota today and told them the bar was not fit-for-purpose and they should advertise these limitations so potential purchases are made aware of the shortcomings. Usual Toyota response…no you can’t have a refund and basically too bad so sad. I’ve seen posts on this forum about workarounds but I sincerely doubt the safety of what others have suggested. Buyers Beware!!

                        In Toyotas defence, they never advertise the bar as winch bar, don’t sell a winch and don’t sell or recommend any recovery points. They simply offer the bar as a light weight option that is guaranteed to fit and not interfere with any factory items.
                        As a consumer, you need to do your homework before purchasing and make an educated choice. Their bar is completely satisfactory for what they advertise it for.
                        Yes I agree that the crooked aerial points is a stupid design, but that’s why we need to look around before purchasing.

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