Aftermarket front recovery points for 150 Series

[Richoson]

Hi Wooley

Mine are fine but then again I don't have access to machinery to be able to manufacture some so I have to go with whats available.

Regards, Richo.

[petcar1]

arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh.

[wooley]

i agree that the factory points probably aren't too bad, but i have seen them pulled off on a number of occasions.
none of this stopped me buying a set of outback ideas points today though... $100
they're pretty poorly made though, i'm not too impressed by them.

[KAKADAZ]

So at the end of the day save your money and use the very strong NON-Rated Toyota points rather than buy non genuine NON-Rated points..I have used the factory points and they are very solid I am getting a bridal strap to share the load but don't see how spending $150 is and better than what it has out of the factory.

[Corigator]

wooley, I can't say - for legal reasons... ;-)

But I will say that when I went to ARB in Cairns with my 2008 GXL that has the same setup, they said why do you want third party ones, those seem quite strong enough.
Then I saw a post some time back on here where a Prado had the whole front of the chassis ripped off when being snatched using the tie down points. The points were still attached to the broken section without any damage to them. That implies that they are stronger than the chassis.

But they are not and probably will never be rated, to save the buttocks of Toyota.

[wooley]

Which is why the double welded and bolted through the chassis Toyota original tie down points are not rated either.

are you suggesting they are suitable? or just saying?

[Corigator]

there will never be rated recovery points for legal reasons.

the point is rated for a specific mounting position, using correct hardware, and being used in the correct manner. if it is mounted differently, used on another vehicle, using different hardware etc. it is no longer rated and companies aren't willing to take that risk.

Which is why the double welded and bolted through the chassis Toyota original tie down points are not rated either.

[wooley]

People, hate to be the pickle here, the question is, are there aftermarket rated recovery points available yet?

there will never be rated recovery points for legal reasons.

the point is rated for a specific mounting position, using correct hardware, and being used in the correct manner. if it is mounted differently, used on another vehicle, using different hardware etc. it is no longer rated and companies aren't willing to take that risk.

[petcar1]

People, hate to be the pickle here, the question is, are there aftermarket rated recovery points available yet?

[Matty80]

John has clearly stated in his emails the following "... the points are only rated to the vechicles original towing capacity..."

They ARE NOT rated recovery points. End of story!
This is a legally required statement that manufactures use for there product to avoid liability for when people mistreat them and they break!

Finished...

[D4D]

Having the point rated is a good start but as soon as you mount it to the chassis it is not rated. How do you know the chassis, mounting bolts etc are rated. The only option we have left is common sense. I won't let anybody snatch me out unless I personally know them and they know how to snatch properly. If not I will winch out.

[Giles]

From the certificate you posted above it seems quite clear that they are not tested for work load limits. Maybe John can provide more documentation to show that they are. In post 127 you stated that they ARE rated, when clearly they are not, so is your belief based on anything other than hearsay?

Given that you are in the business of fitting and selling recovery points Giles, its a bit of a worry that you don't seem to have a great grasp of the terms you are using. It's a no wonder people get so confused about recovery points if the people that are selling them aren't clear on the facts, and then get on a forum to offer advise that is clearly wrong.

Please accept my apology if I have overstepped the mark, just a bit cheesed of about a number of incorrect statements being made in a few threads being passed of as fact.

Cheers Andrew

No AJ you havnt over stepped the Mark.

I am only passing on the information i have received from John.

In regards to grasping the terms ect, i am not aware of the Mathematics of the procedure nor am i aware how they work these things out.
You appear to have a decent understanding of these things.

There apparently isn't a standard to which these are to comply with far as i'm aware,we have asked John to sticker the points and we have to just see what he wants to do regarding that.


Also Piggy i find it frustrating that document has the OBRP customer reference on it,i did not notice that at all. Also with all the other points 100series ect he has sent us 2 pages per report,i only got one for the 150 and that was it.

I'm finding it hard at the moment to work out where i have gone wrong on this,The supplier keeps telling me they are rated ect, I am only just trying to help the members ect.

John has also said he is sending me more info over,when that comes i guess i will have to think what i will do with it.

Matty has been in contact with John and pretty much this is as far as i can go with this.

Giles

It seems there has been many many hours of peoples time wasted on this topic culminating in incorrect information being supplied and guesses, accusations, etc..

I think the bottom line is to adhere to the following:

NO POINT IS RATED UNLESS IT HAS AN ACCOMPANYING/AVALIABLE CERTIFICATE AND /OR STAMPING.

Outback Ideas points have indeed been copied by numerous others and NOT rated or tested!

We have information from OI expressing that his points are rated to the towing capacity of the vehicle they are fitted on, NO MORE than that capacity!

Some copies of information/certificates supplied in former discussion is infact not the 150 points as offered in the description, but the "universal point" made to fit numerous earlier 4x4/ trucks and also Patrols rear hook plate. NOT THE 150! So the information should be ignored from said document.


Pradopoint will not tolerate the flaming or discrediting of other suppliers in regards to this or other technical matters. I would suggest if you have an issue, think it out very carefully and have the TRUE facts before posting such information.
Holidays, infringements and Bans can/will be offered in situations that infringe the above.!

[AJ120]

I believe all the recovery points from Outback ideas are tested for breaking / destruction & work load limits.

I am getting further reports from John ASAP as well.

From the certificate you posted above it seems quite clear that they are not tested for work load limits. Maybe John can provide more documentation to show that they are. In post 127 you stated that they ARE rated, when clearly they are not, so is your belief based on anything other than hearsay?

Given that you are in the business of fitting and selling recovery points Giles, its a bit of a worry that you don't seem to have a great grasp of the terms you are using. It's a no wonder people get so confused about recovery points if the people that are selling them aren't clear on the facts, and then get on a forum to offer advise that is clearly wrong.

Please accept my apology if I have overstepped the mark, just a bit cheesed of about a number of incorrect statements being made in a few threads being passed of as fact.

Cheers Andrew

[Giles]

I am only passing the information on that I have received myself, I suggest if people want to discuss this further or clarify any other information to contact John from Outback Ideas.
I guess there are more variables than just the rating of the recovery point itself when it comes to this, I believe all the recovery points from Outback ideas are tested for breaking / destruction & work load limits.

I think to some point commonsense needs to prevail in this, no matter what item it is extreme care always needs to be carried out. We have seen people break shackles from incorrect use, I think people need to remember these points simply provide the safest point of recovery with what there vehicle is capable to support.

I am getting further reports from John ASAP as well.