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  • #61
    Hi,
    I have just obtained a scangauge 2 and now sort of wish I hadn't. The temps on the auto trans fluid seem a bit scary.
    Normal driving around once all is warm seem to be about 60 to 90. It will rise and fall rapidly so I am assuming it is measuring the temp at the torque converter not the sump. There are two temp sensors on the transmission but how to measure them separately with a scangauge is a good question.

    Here in Hobart there is a reasonable hill to get out of town heading south, it has a posted speed limit of 80. Driving up this hill in D it is easy to see the temps getting to 130. Going to S4 doesn't help as the torque converter often will not lock up until the crest of the hill then the temp falls fairly rapidly. Hate to think what it will be like with the camper trailer! Going into town and while coasting down the hill with no throttle will also cause the temp to rise. In fact it is somewhat disturbing to see the temp rise when you think there is little load on the engine from the throttle but of course there must be a fair load on the torque converter with engine braking! Even going down a multi storey car park will cause a temp rise!

    The 95 manual I had prior to the 150 would hold 5th at 80 up this hill. The 150 auto wants to go to TC slip in 5th (D) or even TC slip in 4th if manually pulled back (S4). Seems like the mapping for the Auto may let it unlock a little too easily.

    If the scangauge does measure the torque converter temp will adding a cooler downstream actually reduce the peak temps of the torque converter much as it will be picking up its fluid from the sump of the auto trans? Any cooling will help I suppose. Either way I will still be adding a cooler to the system.

    Cheers
    Prone
    Last edited by Prone; 25-09-2012, 03:13 PM.
    2018 Prado 150 VX Auto

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    • #62
      It makes sense that adding a cooler would reduce torque converter temperature. As you get slip, a certain amount of heat is generated which will equate to a certain number of degrees of temperature rise. If you start of with fluid that is hotter, the temperature rise should still be the same assuming the amount of TC slip is the same irrespective of fluid temperature.
      2019 GXL, Bullbar, UHF, Redarc Brake Controller, Tow Bar, Secondary Fuel Filter

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      • #63
        Agreed. But what I think I am trying to get at is if the scangauge measures the TC temperature, and given the rapid rise and fall of this temp, is adding a cooler after the TC that then feeds the cooler oil back to the bulk supply of coolish oil in the transmission sump going to markedly change the almost instantaneous rise in temp when under load?

        Does anybody know the flow rate of oil through the cooler circuit?

        Should we be looking at the temperature of the oil in the sump rather than at the output of the TC?

        Is the scangauge causing us extra worry by (possibly) showing the temperature at the TC which must of necessity rise when there is a large amount of power/torque with slip across it?

        I guess I will have to fit a transmission cooler and see what happens or find out how to measure the sump temperature with the scangauge.

        Cheers
        Prone
        2018 Prado 150 VX Auto

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        • #64
          Prone,
          After fitting my cooler I noticed the trans temp drop on the scangauge about 15 dc, this through all driving types.

          Sean
          2011 VX T/D auto pearl white, 3" exhaust and [COLOR="#FF0000"]CHIP IT [/COLOR]module and Auber EGT gauge. Daul battery fitted cig and engel plug in cargo area and charge wires run for the camper. Dual DVD headrests and Extinx GPS/DVD unit. ScangaugeII.

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          • #65
            Gotta say, after reading this thread, and actually looking at scangauges, and the price, I'll definitely be getting one.
            To be honest, for some reason I thought they were a lot more expensive.

            My older hilux transmission used to get very hot when 4x4ing and climbing long hills, but after changing to Redline oil, it was remarkably cooler.

            Anyone tried using a better quality oil before fitting a cooler? As I'm sure Toyota only use the bear minimum required oil, and there are a a lot that are better.

            P.s. not affiliated with Redline oils.
            Geoff

            Im not Bogged - I've just lost traction. . . . . and now I'm showing the wife why I bought those Maxtrax, and the tyre deflator, and the compressor, and the bullbar, and the winch, and a lot of other goodies I've hidden in the Prado

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            • #66
              The Toyota WS oil is full synthetic so it's not a cheap oil. I was going to use a different oil but couldn't find anything better and you don't want to mix oils.
              [B]Steve[/B]

              2010 Silver GXL Prado 150, D4D Auto, with a few non standard bits

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              • #67
                Originally posted by krypto View Post
                The Toyota WS oil is full synthetic so it's not a cheap oil. I was going to use a different oil but couldn't find anything better and you don't want to mix oils.
                Damn, I was hoping that might be an option to try first.
                Geoff

                Im not Bogged - I've just lost traction. . . . . and now I'm showing the wife why I bought those Maxtrax, and the tyre deflator, and the compressor, and the bullbar, and the winch, and a lot of other goodies I've hidden in the Prado

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                • #68
                  Measured the transmission oil pan temp after 2hrs towing and a few hills, 52C.

                  The temp gun is really handy for checking the trailer bearing temps as well.
                  [B]Steve[/B]

                  2010 Silver GXL Prado 150, D4D Auto, with a few non standard bits

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                  • #69
                    OK, I am now over the scary readings of the Scan Gauge.

                    I just went for a drive up Mt Wellington out of Hobart. Mt Wellington is 1271 Metres high and the tourist road to the summit is reasonably steep. The air temp today was about 10 degrees at sea level and 0 degrees at the summit. The weather conditions were wet and windy and snowing several hundred metres below the summit. I was not driving, my daughter on "L" plates did the driving so it was not spirited driving. Speed was generally 25 to 40 kph during the climb. Car was unladen and only 2 people on board.

                    Used the AT in D, S4, S3 and S2 to see what would happen.

                    In D the Temp was in the mid 130's, dropping to S4 and S3 made no difference as it was in 3rd at the time anyway. Dropping to S2 saw the temp drop to about 115. Water temp on the scan gauge was 87 plus or minus a degree or two.

                    Conclusion. The temp that the scan gauge displays is the temp at the torque converter or its outlet. Scan gauge readings of 135 and possibly higher are likely to be normal at times even with normal sedate driving styles.

                    I can see no way to keep the displayed temp lower with standard set-up from factory and normal driving conditions. The "high" readings of the Scan Gauge should not cause panic and undue concern.

                    Despite the above "normal" operation I still suspect/believe that a transmission cooler would be a beneficial addition.

                    Cheers
                    Prone
                    2018 Prado 150 VX Auto

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                    • #70
                      What sort of readings would you consider high on the Scangauge?
                      Around the suburbs I can get readings up around 90 when taking it easy.

                      I am yet to tow my camper with my 150, so I will be interested to see what sort of readings I get.

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                      • #71
                        150c.

                        Sean
                        2011 VX T/D auto pearl white, 3" exhaust and [COLOR="#FF0000"]CHIP IT [/COLOR]module and Auber EGT gauge. Daul battery fitted cig and engel plug in cargo area and charge wires run for the camper. Dual DVD headrests and Extinx GPS/DVD unit. ScangaugeII.

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                        • #72
                          Just did a trip up north towing a camper.

                          I took a few temp measurements of the transmission sump, the highest temp that I saw was 67C traveling at 105 kmh using 4S on an undulating road with an ambient temp of 30C.

                          This is with a big transmission cooler fitted so the transmission could obviously get pretty hot when towing especially on a hot day with hills.
                          [B]Steve[/B]

                          2010 Silver GXL Prado 150, D4D Auto, with a few non standard bits

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                          • #73
                            Finally fitted the transmission cooler, a Davies Craig 678.

                            Fitted it pretty much the same as VXwesty, as described in his "My rig build up - VXWesty's 2011 VX D4D" post #66 http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread...1-VX-D4D/page7 . Thanks for the info VXWesty!

                            Took a while to do spread over 2 days, no big problems just a few niggly ones, extra metre of transmission hose, rearrange cables and hoses , not enough bolts right size etc.

                            I put about 350ml of ATF in after the fitting the cooler to get to the correct level. Gee, they could have made the refill plug a bit easier to get to. Old fluid was still red at 20K with 15K of that towing a camper trailer.

                            Initial testing show ATF temps of approx 66C on the scangauge at a steady 100Kph in D after a good run with air temp at 20C and water temp at 86C. Without the cooler the ATF would have been closer to the water temp under the same conditions.

                            Climbing the hill out of Hobart used to give ATF temps of 130 or more in D, with the cooler it just hit 100C at the top of the hill.

                            Conclusion. The cooler gives a reduction in ATF temp of 20C to 30C. This has to be beneficial!

                            Cheers
                            Prone
                            2018 Prado 150 VX Auto

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                            • #74
                              Hey johnb, can you advise name or contact details of the local transmission place. Heading to the tip via the Simpson with a 1.3tonne camper. A tranny cooler will be ideal. Thanks Tif.
                              08 D4D Grande ARD Sahara, 9.5 Worn, Airbagman air bags, tough dog suspension, dif breathers, safaris snorkel, and the usual gear.

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                              • #75
                                I'm just wondering if anyone's managed to fit a Davies Craig model 679 cooler into their 150?? or is the 678 the only one that fits??

                                I've had a bit of a look and it seems pretty tight in there, but if the 679 fits i'd rather put it in as it has about 20% more surface area which you'd assume would be more efficient.
                                The size difference between the two is:-

                                Part No# 679
                                Thickness 19mm
                                O/A length 300mm
                                O/A width 280.5mm
                                CORE length 256.2mm
                                Core width 247.6mm


                                Part No#678
                                Thickness 20mm
                                O/A length 281mm
                                O/A width 213mm
                                Core length 281mm
                                Core width 184mm

                                Cheers
                                James

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