The 150 series Dual Battery Guide

[Beach]

Interesting argument.... lol@sock puppets.

As a side question then. When do you guys suggest using a C-Tek type charger? For instance, I recently converted a LWB HiAce into a camper for a customer. Now this fella was a greenie through and through... He was a vegan and also burst into tears when I wouldn't budge on the invoice if that helps define the character heh. His want was to be able to camp as long as possible without starting the car.

So, we settled on 160 Watts on the roof, 4x50AH AGM batteries and a C-Tek D250S and needs to run a fridge, 600watt inverter from time to time, CD Player and LED interior lighting.

Currently, he has been camped for two and half weeks without starting the car.

Could I have done anything differently? I honestly couldn't see a better option.

If he is that much of a greenie, why is he driving an inefficient, polluting, fossil fuel burning vehicle in the first place? Maybe best not to point that out to him.

[LeighW]

I'm not sure what you mean... He has two 80watt panels fitted to the roof. Hasn't started the car in two and a half weeks and hasn't dropped below 11.92 during the night. I mean essentially we don't need to improve it as it's working perfectly.

I was asking how it could've been done differently. Sorry to confuse mate.

In this setup the focus is getting as much efficiency out of the solar as possible, I would therefore have suggested that maybe rather than using the 250's solar charger which is a compromise and from what I have read only average in efficiency, you might have been better off going for a purpose built high efficiency MPPT charger.

Charging from the car if required could have been done as Drivesafe suggested.

Bottom line though is if it ain't broke don't fix it.

Leigh

[RanJ]

hahahaha

While he was in my workshop he bloody well dropped his guts. My god... I thought I was awesome!

[craigm]

Interesting argument.... lol@sock puppets.

As a side question then. When do you guys suggest using a C-Tek type charger? For instance, I recently converted a LWB HiAce into a camper for a customer. Now this fella was a greenie through and through... He was a vegan and also burst into tears when I wouldn't budge on the invoice if that helps define the character heh. His want was to be able to camp as long as possible without starting the car.

So, we settled on 160 Watts on the roof, 4x50AH AGM batteries and a C-Tek D250S and needs to run a fridge, 600watt inverter from time to time, CD Player and LED interior lighting.

Currently, he has been camped for two and half weeks without starting the car.

Could I have done anything differently? I honestly couldn't see a better option.

Being a vegan and a greenie to boot, I'm sure he'd have enough wind to power on of these...
http://www.energymatters.com.au/aero...ine-p-511.html

[RanJ]

I'm not sure what you mean... He has two 80watt panels fitted to the roof. Hasn't started the car in two and a half weeks and hasn't dropped below 11.92 during the night. I mean essentially we don't need to improve it as it's working perfectly.

I was asking how it could've been done differently. Sorry to confuse mate.

[drivesafe]

Hi RanJ and even at 11.92v or 40% SoC, if he started his drive in the morning, not giving the solar time to start recharging his batteries, he is still looking at around a 6 hour drive.

Because of his long stays, fitting a second solar panel would be the best improvement you could do to his existing set up.

[RanJ]

Where would the solar panels fit into that?

Because so far with the panels, he hasn't seen the voltage drop below 11.92 during the night after a cloudy day.

[drivesafe]

Hi RanJ and with 200Ah of battery capacity ( 160Ah available ) and the long stays, if his batteries are discharged down to their safe limit, 11.58v or 20% SoC, to get the batteries back to around 95% or a bit higher, with the Ctek charging the batteries, he will need to drive constantly for 10+ hours.

Whereas, if he has a late model Hiace with low operating voltages, as I have posted above, he could have fitted one of LeighW’s Alternator Voltage Booster fuses and my isolator.

With that set up, he would have had 200Ah available ( the extra 40Ah being provided by his cranking battery ) and would be able to charge all the batteries to around the same 95+% in around 5 to 6 hours of driving.

Plus, he would have obviously used a lot less fuel, but don’t tell him as he will probably just start to cry again!!

Or at a much higher set up cost, you could have fitted a 40 amp DC/DC unit.

He would still only have 160Ah available but then he would have only needed to drive about 6 hours, to get the 4 batteries up tp around the 95% mark.

[RanJ]

Interesting argument.... lol@sock puppets.

As a side question then. When do you guys suggest using a C-Tek type charger? For instance, I recently converted a LWB HiAce into a camper for a customer. Now this fella was a greenie through and through... He was a vegan and also burst into tears when I wouldn't budge on the invoice if that helps define the character heh. His want was to be able to camp as long as possible without starting the car.

So, we settled on 160 Watts on the roof, 4x50AH AGM batteries and a C-Tek D250S and needs to run a fridge, 600watt inverter from time to time, CD Player and LED interior lighting.

Currently, he has been camped for two and half weeks without starting the car.

Could I have done anything differently? I honestly couldn't see a better option.

MickL is a valid member, has been since he stopped having time due to family and work issues.. I'd suggest having correct facts..

[AJ120]

I used to be a fan of MickL, and sadly you banned him to. These people are not a dime a dozen you know. .

MickL was never banned, he started a new business and had a new baby at about the same time. Like lots of us his life just got busy and PP was no longer a prioritory for him. His in laws live around the corner from me, I was only talking to his BIL the other day, so I am sure I could get in touch with Mick and have him post the truth if you like!

MickL certainly was a good member, and good bloke although I only met him the once.

Cheers Andrew

[drivesafe]

Hi dieselfitter and you are as entitled to your option as I and anyone else is.

In this case, your mate made a number of statements, one of which I specifically give him the opportunity to explain.

He chose to attack anyone who didn’t see things the way he did.

Now back to what started this debate in the first place, dieselfitter, why is the Ctek a better option.

What do you base your claim on. This is all that was asked of ########## and he than came back with fairy tales.

And please note, while ########## may have believed these fairy tales to be fact, but they were still nothing more than advertising based fairy tales.

Now I am a manufacturer of equipment that works better at recharge batteries than these devices do, but I choose not to lie about what my products can actually achieve.

LeighW is in the same boat, but we have to compete in a market place that is littered with companies who are happily prepared to use any advertising scam they can, to give their products market place advantages based on nothing more than unsubstantiated claims.

Now again, you state that a Ctek is a much better option than an isolator, and with the exception of my isolators, I partially agree with you.

But if a Toyota owner wants the fastest recharge time, plus the advantage of additional ampere hours to power their accessories from the same amount of battery capacity one of your Cteks is charging, plus the added advantage of having their cranking battery kept in a higher state of charge and having a much longer life span, then the perfect dual battery set up is one of LeighW’s fuses, one of my isolators and an Optima Yellow Top auxiliary battery.

There is no other dual battery set up that will give you anywhere near all the features and advantages this set up offers.

The ball is in your court dieselfitter!

[dieselfitter]

The 150 series Dual Battery Guide

Oh, by the way, I am not like John, and I don't care if you ban me.
I don't give a dam about your site, as with most diesel fitters.
I only work on the big stuff anyway.
Like I said, it's your loss, Piggy.
What sort of name is that anyway, Piggy, gee, I don't know about these public forums. I find them pretty strange.
By the way, some time back, John let me use his email address, in case I started to get emails from you lot. I am not like John, I only help out people that I know and like.
Matthew.

<Admin note: really your not like him??. I think more than you realise, i find it Odd that your using the same IP address to make your posts as Roo was on his last posts...... 108.162.250.121..
And as a note he banned himself by threatening not one but three members.
And as you don't care about our site you won't mind being banned as well for trolling..>

[dieselfitter]

The 150 series Dual Battery Guide

I don't normally come onto this site. I normally just stay with closed sites for diesel fitters.
I think it's important what I have to say.
I have known John for 15 years now, and while he has some bad qualities, like getting angry pretty quick, dishonesty is not one of his traits.
Jim and Leigh, you should be ashamed of yourselves for implying that John was dishonest with his posts.
Piggy, it's your loss, not John's loss.
He will just go onto other sites and help out more there.
I think if someone can't back up there claims about someone being dishonest, and I know John is definitely not dishonest, this should not be said, at all.
After all, it's actually against the law to do so and this should reflect in your rules.
I note, that I read that post, and there was no thread of physical violence in it. The man just stated that the Gold Coast is closer than SA, and that he wanted to catch up with two of you.
I used to be a fan of MickL, and sadly you banned him to. <Admin: incorrect he is still a member here>
These people are not a dime a dozen you know. People with this sort of knowledge don't come along very often. These people empower people to do their own work, as so many have experienced on here with John.
This will also sent a message to all diesel fitters, as John is held in high regard within the industry.
He is pretty up there with his knowledge, at least on your products, the Prados, and the Landcruisers.
If you are going to ban John, then Drivesafe should be banned for saying he is dishonest, and the other personal attacks. That is only fair, Piggy. < Admin note: drive safe is not going around threatening others>
Back on subject, I will keep it short and sweet, Tim and Leigh, you are wrong, and the Ctek 250 Dual is a much better option then a isolator on these vehicles.
My two cents worth, and John didn't start this either.
Matthew.

<Admn note:then why are you posting from the same IP address that john last used.. ..?
I smell a sock puppet..>

[LeighW]

Hi Piggy,

No problem, once exchange of view points degrades to threats of physical violence nothing
worthwhile is going to be achieved anyway.

Cheers
Leigh