ARB Recovery Points

[Trekrider Banned Find all posts View Profile Close Trekrider]

Also my 120 had recovery points built into the ARB bar, whereas my 150's bar does not have any.

The ARB 120 bar does not have recovery points - only tow points.

[Greigrob Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Greigrob]

The outback ideas points are no better than the factory tie downs (on the 150, anyway)

Hi Wooley,

What do you use when recovering your vehicle?

I am getting a set of outback ideas points fitted next week, Do you think I am wasting my money?

[alternative Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close alternative]

The ARB 120 bar does not have recovery points - only tow points.

Good to know, now i dont feel so shafted on my 150's with none

[ARB 4X4 Accessories Corporate Member Find all posts View Profile Close ARB 4X4 Accessories]

Hi guys, it's good to see some interest on the forum around the recovery points .

I'll try to answer a couple of the questions that have been posed.

There is only one recovery point required for each vehicle, you don't need a pair of them. The single point is engineered to provide the full official rating.

Our engineers, have designed them this way for a number of reasons. One is to ensure that the force is applied as close to inline with the chassis rail as possible. Secondly, in a dynamic recovery situation, with 2 recovery points and a bridle, there is really no way of knowing exactly what percentage of the load is being applied to each point. Therefore in order to have two points officially rated, they would both have to be rated for the full load. Lastly, with some vehicles (such as the GU Patrol), there are actually only captive nuts on one side of the chassis and the points we are developing are designed to be a bolt on kit without the need to drill or tap the chassis in order to fit them.

With regard to the fitting requirements, there is no need to have an ARB bar installed. Where customers have no bull bar, a shim kit may be required (on some vehicles) to enable the recovery point to be fitted. With regard to other makes of bull bar, whilst the recovery points have been made to fit with ARB bars (or no bull bar), they may well fit with other bull bar makes although we can't guarantee that this will be the case with all alternatives.

In terms of the cost, this is one of the reasons we will be monitoring the response to the initial range to determine the viability of expanding to other vehicles. If you have a look at the article in our latest 4X4 Action magazine (available online), you will appreciate the R&D that has gone into these with full vehicle specific engineering and testing required for each new model.

Also, keep an eye on our YouTube Channel (ARB4WD) as we are currently finalising a video on the recovery points. It should be up online in the next few weeks.

Cheers, Sam.

[Richoson Avid PP Poster! Find all posts View Profile Close Richoson]

Hi Wooley,

What do you use when recovering your vehicle?

I am getting a set of outback ideas points fitted next week, Do you think I am wasting my money?

Hi

I have the Outback Ideas ones and the quality is good, the attachment points spread the load and offer a large contact area. I have used mine several times, mainly for dragging trees off tracks and are very happy with them. Another good point is that they actually hit the ground before the standard Toyota bash plate does, i think I got value for mine.

See ya on the tracks, Richo.

[Bazza Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Bazza]

I think I'll be sticking with the two Outback Ideas recovery points and an equalizing strap as well. I'm not convinced that one recovery point is a better option than two, on lighter constructed modern 4wd's. I also still prefer winching rather than snatching, as I feel it puts less stress on vehicles. IMO the main problem with snatching is the way it's done. A lot of people think that you need to be going like a rocket to be successful when most times it can be achieved at a much slower pace. Time will tell if the ARB product is accepted.
Bazza

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I can't seem to find on the ARB site what these points are "rated" at, does anyone know?

Cheers Andrew

[wooley Avid PP Poster! Find all posts View Profile Close wooley]

I'm also intrigued by this, Andrew.

I'm not so sure on only one recovery point either, I'd rather use both tow points than one 'rated' point.

[ntp Addicted PP Member Find all posts View Profile Close ntp]

Does this help: ARB Recover Points press release

Answer: Nope.

[Bazza Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Bazza]

I can't seem to find on the ARB site what these points are "rated" at, does anyone know?

Cheers Andrew

G'day Andrew,
Buy their own argument, they cannot rate their recovery points unless it's connected to a particular vehicle using their own specifically designed mounting method. A freestanding recovery point ( like a single Outback Ideas one ) can only be rated / certified for it's maximum breaking strain. As they say ( correctly ) the whole ball game changes depending on how it's mounted. Using this logic, only a vehicle specific recovery point and mounting method can be rated / certified / warranted if it is installed by the manufacturer ( or their agent ). Do you see $$$$$ ?
Bazza

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Yeah I agree Bazza, but are they making them all to 10,000lb or are the Patrol ones rated to a higher level then the Hilux ones? Even though the Prado recovery points are only a dream at the moment, if they made a single point rated to say 10,000lb I don't think I would be that keen on recovering from a single point regardless of the testing done. At the very least with a single point you will be unable to get a truly straight pull which is the ideal way to go.

Cheers Andrew

[Bazza Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Bazza]

Yeah I agree Bazza, but are they making them all to 10,000lb or are the Patrol ones rated to a higher level then the Hilux ones? Even though the Prado recovery points are only a dream at the moment, if they made a single point rated to say 10,000lb I don't think I would be that keen on recovering from a single point regardless of the testing done. At the very least with a single point you will be unable to get a truly straight pull which is the ideal way to go.

Cheers Andrew

Hi Andrew, I honestly cant see how they can rate them without fitting them themselves. I think the most important question to ask is ..... will ARB rate, certify, and warrant them if we install them ourselves? I'm not specifically giving ARB a hard time. IMO all aftermarket recovery point manufacturers would be in the same boat.
Bazza

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Folks

If you want it rated and guaranteed then currently the only option is one such as the ARB model they have produced. Any introduction of an outside fitter would automatically negate the certification. My thought is if that is the type of specification you require then pay the asking price and fit the ARB product. Otherwise make an informed decision on other products and take the use for a recovery as your responsibility.

See ya on the tracks, Richo.

PS if the ARB product was available when I put mine on then it would have been high on choice list.

[AJ120 Out of control poster! Find all posts View Profile Close AJ120]

I am not sure I follow the logic about having to get ARB to fit the point in order for the Rating to be gauranteed. Assuming they are a bolt on job and are fitted in accordance with instructions what difference does it make who fits it?

If someone fits their own ARB bullbar does it then become not airbag compliant because ARB didn't fit it? I doubt it. If I fit a Hayman reece Towbar does that affect its rating and subsequent gaurantee? once again I doubt it.

Cheers Andrew

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Hi Andrew

I wouldn't mind betting that there will be a rider in the instructions about"authorised fitter". We recently went down the path about pallet racking for our warehouse, yes you can assemble yourself and that doesn't change the SWL, but they have to be signed off by an authorised fitter for WH&S.

Also yes I can drive a car but will it be insured if I don't have a drivers licence?

See ya on the tracks, Richo.