NCOP for QLD finally!

[fido666 Banned Find all posts View Profile Close fido666]

I'm glad to see the situation in QLD is no less confusing than the situation in VIC. I'm having fun trying to get a straight answer on whether my 265/65/18 comply with the rules down here, tyre placard only goes up to 265/60/18 (standard tyres on the Kakadu).

[VeeZeeSS Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close VeeZeeSS]

Just so I get this straight.... I can fit a 2" lift plus larger profile tyres without a mod plate in QLD from yesterday (1/11/2012) ?

[mjrandom Out of control poster! Find all posts View Profile Close mjrandom]

Just so I get this straight.... I can fit a 2" lift plus larger profile tyres without a mod plate in QLD from yesterday (1/11/2012) ?

Ring the Dept against Transport and ask to talk with an engineer or technician. I read the regs to say that if the vehicle has stability control (ESC) you are limited to a TOTAL lift of 50mm including suspension and tyres unless approved by the manufacturer (never going to happen) or other competent person after testing (unknown testing regime). Others here believe it reads 50mm of lift and 25mm of tyre is ok if it drives ok.

Please post what you have been told....

Roo I agree 250%, the only sense I have got from these gentlepersons was by contacting one of the engineers directly after finding him through other means. It had nothing to do with the Prado but actually some mods on my car.

[gxllouie Member Find all posts View Profile Close gxllouie]

guys,

i've read the guidelines too and this is my interpretation:

section 3.16 of NCOP - VSB14 does not allow any mods unless it is proved either by the manufacturer or through testing that the esc is unaffected OR if affected the esc is recalibrated.

therefore, you can't do any lifts or tyre increases at the moment!

and therefore, the NCOP is actually way more prohibitive than the old standards!

so i wouldn't be too excited by the change in standards yet.

louie

[Jeffers Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close Jeffers]

guys,

i've read the guidelines too and this is my interpretation:

section 3.16 of NCOP - VSB14 does not allow any mods unless it is proved either by the manufacturer or through testing that the esc is unaffected OR if affected the esc is recalibrated.

therefore, you can't do any lifts or tyre increases at the moment!

and therefore, the NCOP is actually way more prohibitive than the old standards!

so i wouldn't be too excited by the change in standards yet.

louie

If that is in fact the case, then what about all the Prado's with ESC that already have lifts?
Does this now make them un roadworthy?

Cheers,

Jeff

[gxllouie Member Find all posts View Profile Close gxllouie]

Jeff,

from what i can recall reading previously, any work that was carried out legally prior to the adoption of NCOP would remain legal.

Louie

[Dusty74 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Dusty74]

Now I'm lost! Back to the computer to try and translate to English, I did read somewhere that NCOP was not adopted entirely but rather merged with QCOP. One thing I will add though, you may have noticed all the tyre manufacturer's advertising the fact larger tyres may now be fitted under the new laws. Maybe they've got it wrong as well?

Cheers,
Dusty

[Dusty74 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Dusty74]

Now I'm lost! Back to the computer to try and translate to English, I did read somewhere that NCOP was not adopted entirely but rather merged with QCOP. One thing I will add though, you may have noticed all the tyre manufacturer's advertising the fact larger tyres may now be fitted under the new laws. Maybe they've got it wrong as well?

Cheers,
Dusty

[gxllouie Member Find all posts View Profile Close gxllouie]

Now I'm lost! Back to the computer to try and translate to English, I did read somewhere that NCOP was not adopted entirely but rather merged with QCOP. One thing I will add though, you may have noticed all the tyre manufacturer's advertising the fact larger tyres may now be fitted under the new laws. Maybe they've got it wrong as well?

Cheers,
Dusty

Dusty,

Just checked Cooper website. They state:

For vehicles fitted with ESC please refer to section 1.2 of Code LS9.

So they are erring on the side of caution too.

With respect to lifts - for lifts over 50mm, eg. 50mm suspension + 25mm tyre, QLD has written it's own Code to override NCOP. These are LS9 and LS10 of the QCOP.

[mjrandom Out of control poster! Find all posts View Profile Close mjrandom]

Which is what I posted on page 2. If I get a chance next week I will see what I can find out from the horse's mouth.

[gxllouie Member Find all posts View Profile Close gxllouie]

Which is what I posted on page 2. If I get a chance next week I will see what I can find out from the horse's mouth.

that would be great - seems ridiculous that all new passenger 4wds (because esc is compulsory) won't be able to be modified.

[fido666 Banned Find all posts View Profile Close fido666]

I'm chasing up the same issue in Vic, us Mexicans are having the same joy with our roads authority.

[Dusty74 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Dusty74]

Thanks for the info guys, between the lot of us we should be able to nut this out. I found a number to ring so next week I'll start hounding Queensland Transport. (07 31145844)

Cheers,
Dusty

[Jeffers Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close Jeffers]

Ok, I think that I'm getting a little bit ahead of myself here....

The LS9 and LS10 codes of the NCOP are only referring to the "High Lift 50mm - 125mm"
Therefore the information in section 1.2 (Design NOT Covered by Code LS9/LS10) does not apply if your total lift does not exceed 50mm in total.
So if you have a 50mm Suspension Lift, or up to a 25mm lift from a larger profile tyre (max 50mm larger than standard tyre dia for ADR Category MC Four Wheel Drive Vehicles) or a combination of both, then your vehicle is legal provided its not more than a 50mm lift.

This still may want to be clarified by a phone call to QLD Transport.

Cheers,

Jeff

[DaveZ Member Find all posts View Profile Close DaveZ]

Be interesting to see how this all pans out with ESC equipped vehicles, considering you can't buy cars without it any more. I was finally able to have my 70 series tyres fitted yesterday so I'm happy for the time being