Qantas

[Barnesworth Lurker Find all posts View Profile Close Barnesworth]

As a relatively new member (lurker) to this forum I have to say I'm surprised to see some very polarized rhetoric on this subject but hey, it's a free country so I'll give my two bob's worth:

The central theme for all the unions conducting PIA, especially the pilots, has been job security. If you figure your job is going to be off-shored then you haven't got much to lose. I think some posters have swallowed the company spin about demands of massive pay rises (most close to CPI) and jetstar paid same as Q (only if QF code share) etc.

You may also be forgetting management put all its eggs in two baskets - the A380 and 787 - both massively delayed, all its competitors operate 777 which kills everything but the 380 in Q's stable (remaining orders suspended). Then there's the route structure that assumes everyone wants to transit through Sydney or London for example. All massive failings yet Dixon got 10 mil plus in his last year, Joyce now gets double any other airline exec (apples with apples not underperforming airline with highly profitable banks).

I'm not a union man, I can't be in my current job, but I do realise I can afford to drive a prado because others have stood up to management trying to screw them. I have no time for militant type unionism but in the case of Qantas unions, they're moderate people.

This company is trying to circumvent the Qantas sale act and set the company up for another takeover in my opinion. Just as I'm happy Japs make good 4x4s, Aussies make excellent pilots (QF 32 for example) and engineers. If you're happy to pay jetstar/tiger/air Asia prices then you're probably happy driving a great wall, in all cases you may or may not get there!

[maxjj Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close maxjj]

maxjj, yep, you are right, your limited one sided argument has made me see the light. Lets all start calling the CEO and the rest of board names just like every other misinformed person out there. That's mature and Australian and just to show my support I am going to have a go slow day at work and not work between 2pm and 3pm, also no overtime for me either. That will assist in paying for my wife and daughter, oh thats right I am not in a union member so I must not have any of those. What I will do then is just do a half a$%sd job, expect the earth for it an complain bitterly when I don't get it and then start legal and justified strike action, that will win me support. How Australian am I.

Last I checked Qantas was not holding a gun to my head to work there so if I was that unhappy and underpaid I should just go and work for Virgin or Tiger, oh thats right! They expect far more, pay less and have very little union members.

Its not easy to go down the path of protected legal industrial action and to get this far just demonstrates that the boss isn`t willing to negotiate at all.
I have never taken a forum discussion personal, but you are starting to push my buttons, limited one sided.... I am leaving this discussion alone from now on, I normally respect your posts and I don`t want this to go too far. I am willing to discuss this via private messages, if you are interested.
Having a member of Rio Tinto`s board on Qantas board rings a few bells with me, I suppose you haven`t even heard of the ABCC.

I don`t know where you work or what you do, but clearly you have been exposed to a different world than I have been to. Cheers Good bye.

[Rogerthatv2 Avid PP Poster! Find all posts View Profile Close Rogerthatv2]

Its not easy to go down the path of protected legal industrial action and to get this far just demonstrates that the boss isn`t willing to negotiate at all.
I have never taken a forum discussion personal, but you are starting to push my buttons, limited one sided.... I am leaving this discussion alone from now on, I normally respect your posts and I don`t want this to go too far. I am willing to discuss this via private messages, if you are interested.
Having a member of Rio Tinto`s board on Qantas board rings a few bells with me, I suppose you haven`t even heard of the ABCC.

I don`t know where you work or what you do, but clearly you have been exposed to a different world than I have been to. Cheers Good bye.

Max I will pm you as I also agree with your comments above as I also took part of your first post personally.

I do not mean to offend anyone in my last post above, I am simply trying to get my point across that there other ways to negioiate than go slows, stoppages and overtime bans that cause issues and delays for all.

That's me out on this discussion all, I can only hope that an end is near.

[JPM21 Member Find all posts View Profile Close JPM21]

Oh really, everyone? then why are we all driving Toyotas and not Sang Yongs? Price is important but its not the be all and end all for everyone.

Cheers Andrew

We don't all drive Toyotas last time I checked Sang Yong were selling cars here is Australia!

98% of my air travel is business related so the company I work for has the policy - cheapest fare of the day, simple.
Lets face it air travel is a service not a capital investment. I drive a Toyota for a number of reasons, reliability, service and resale are amongst the criteria and based on this I am very happy with my choice.

Gee my heart bleeds for all you guys that are wealthy enough to be able to afford to fly, I flew in a commercial plane once, couldn't afford to go for another flight though.

Cheers Andrew

When you next choose to fly I would love to know the criteria you use when selecting your air carrier when Qantas is $400 and Virgin is $200.

[Peterpilot Avid PP Poster! Find all posts View Profile Close Peterpilot]

I feel for the 68,000 stranded Qantas passengers and staff.

Alan Joyce and the Qantas board are responsible for grounding the airline, they voted for it and implemented it. To claim that they had "no other choice" is BS, negotiations were scheduled to continue on Monday.

Also, the short-haul fleet may have been grounded unlawfully, their EBA is separate and not under negotiation or dispute: http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-...030-1mq2u.html

The issue is do we want Qantas to become Qantasia?

[AJ120 Out of control poster! Find all posts View Profile Close AJ120]

We don't all drive Toyotas last time I checked Sang Yong were selling cars here is Australia! .

Sorry I assumed if you were on this forum reading this you would own (or hope to own) a Toyota.

When you next choose to fly I would love to know the criteria you use when selecting your air carrier when Qantas is $400 and Virgin is $200

Why would I choose to fly? I own a Prado

Cheers Andrew