American gun laws

[Beach Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close Beach]

As part of my occupation I am a firearms instructor and licensed armourer/repairer. To buy a firearm, I have to have a crim record check, justify my genuine need, supply property letters outlining where, how big, the nature of the vermin to be destroyed, why a cat A (ie .22) won't suffice, participate in a safe handling course, find a dealer, get the serial number, go online, download the application, fill it all out, declare my safe keeping facility meets the standard, print off the forms with the embedded barcode, attend the post office, hand over the forms, show my 150 points of ID, pay the money and wait at least 8 weeks before approval, or otherwise is given. The initial licence fee for a first application has now risen to $246.30 which is non-refundable. An addition costs nearly $170. If I already own a gun, I have to justify why I need another and go through all the above processes. I have a warning against my name on the police data base which states: "May posses firearms" - it should read "Will posses firearms" to be accurate I reckon. Now, our outlaw motor-cycle gang members and our drug peddling scumbags don't have to go through any of these checks to get their guns do they? No. If the police and customs focused on the illegal firearms industry the problems in Australia could be minimised. But law abiding licenced shooters are an easy target. Customs asked me to ask my fellow sporting shooters at our club if they had any knowledge of people offering to sell illegal firearms. With all the dramas that we have to go through to obtain our legal firearms who in their right mind is going to jeopardize all that by buying a dodgy gun down at the pub? And while the cops are targetting us, no one is concerned about all the "missing" firearms from the indigenous communities. Hundreds of rifles are missing as none were licenced to individuals, all were freely available to any community member. None were ever secured in cabinets when not in use. It's too hard for the NT/SA/WA authorities to look into.

Sadly these double standards don't just apply to firearms laws on our little island.

[KIMBOPRADO Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close KIMBOPRADO]

As someone with no experience with guns or not ever going to, was watching ABC Catalyst last week in relation to using recreational hunters for shooting feral animals as an effective management tool. Think would be a good case to use Experienced recreational hunters part of gun clubs for this, but not your weekender shooter

Think the greenies have had too much say over last 5/10 years,resulting in feral animals population exploding and need to cull them back

Here the link

http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/3852511.htm

Others views on this?

[mjrandom Out of control poster! Find all posts View Profile Close mjrandom]

Sitting around some (actually many many) beers last week in Shiodome a few of us were talking about feral animal control in deepest darkest Qld. A couple of Japanese friends were positively horrified. They don't seem to realise how much of a pest some of the cute furry aminals (sic) can be on a working property.

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As part of my occupation I am a firearms instructor and licensed armourer/repairer. To buy a firearm, I have to have a crim record check, justify my genuine need, supply property letters outlining where, how big, the nature of the vermin to be destroyed, why a cat A (ie .22) won't suffice, participate in a safe handling course, find a dealer, get the serial number, go online, download the application, fill it all out, declare my safe keeping facility meets the standard, print off the forms with the embedded barcode, attend the post office, hand over the forms, show my 150 points of ID, pay the money and wait at least 8 weeks before approval, or otherwise is given. The initial licence fee for a first application has now risen to $246.30 which is non-refundable. An addition costs nearly $170. If I already own a gun, I have to justify why I need another and go through all the above processes. I have a warning against my name on the police data base which states: "May posses firearms" - it should read "Will posses firearms" to be accurate I reckon. Now, our outlaw motor-cycle gang members and our drug peddling scumbags don't have to go through any of these checks to get their guns do they? No. If the police and customs focused on the illegal firearms industry the problems in Australia could be minimised. But law abiding licenced shooters are an easy target. Customs asked me to ask my fellow sporting shooters at our club if they had any knowledge of people offering to sell illegal firearms. With all the dramas that we have to go through to obtain our legal firearms who in their right mind is going to jeopardize all that by buying a dodgy gun down at the pub? And while the cops are targetting us, no one is concerned about all the "missing" firearms from the indigenous communities. Hundreds of rifles are missing as none were licenced to individuals, all were freely available to any community member. None were ever secured in cabinets when not in use. It's too hard for the NT/SA/WA authorities to look into.

I really feel for you guys in WA, we think we have it bad here!

[Sako85 Member Find all posts View Profile Close Sako85]

Sitting around some (actually many many) beers last week in Shiodome a few of us were talking about feral animal control in deepest darkest Qld. A couple of Japanese friends were positively horrified. They don't seem to realise how much of a pest some of the cute furry aminals (sic) can be on a working property.

Yes, that is one of the main issues.

A lot of people, base their opinion on either; something they heard/saw on TV, the radio or Social media without going out and seeing it for themselves.

[Danda Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Danda]

As part of my occupation I am a firearms instructor and licensed armourer/repairer. To buy a firearm, I have to have a crim record check, justify my genuine need, supply property letters outlining where, how big, the nature of the vermin to be destroyed, why a cat A (ie .22) won't suffice, participate in a safe handling course, find a dealer, get the serial number, go online, download the application, fill it all out, declare my safe keeping facility meets the standard, print off the forms with the embedded barcode, attend the post office, hand over the forms, show my 150 points of ID, pay the money and wait at least 8 weeks before approval, or otherwise is given. The initial licence fee for a first application has now risen to $246.30 which is non-refundable. An addition costs nearly $170. If I already own a gun, I have to justify why I need another and go through all the above processes. I have a warning against my name on the police data base which states: "May posses firearms" - it should read "Will posses firearms" to be accurate I reckon. Now, our outlaw motor-cycle gang members and our drug peddling scumbags don't have to go through any of these checks to get their guns do they? No. If the police and customs focused on the illegal firearms industry the problems in Australia could be minimised. But law abiding licenced shooters are an easy target. Customs asked me to ask my fellow sporting shooters at our club if they had any knowledge of people offering to sell illegal firearms. With all the dramas that we have to go through to obtain our legal firearms who in their right mind is going to jeopardize all that by buying a dodgy gun down at the pub? And while the cops are targetting us, no one is concerned about all the "missing" firearms from the indigenous communities. Hundreds of rifles are missing as none were licenced to individuals, all were freely available to any community member. None were ever secured in cabinets when not in use. It's too hard for the NT/SA/WA authorities to look into.

Hi Dave I too have a "high risk" job that involves guns but I choose not to have one and after 7 years in my profession still have no need for them at all
, my greatest weapon ? my mouth, (cant keep it shut) luckily I can talk my way into and out of anything LOL but the thing I cant get past is why would any one want one anyway ? I mean how many people are accosted with a gun here ? not having a pop at any body just baffles as to why you'd want one, maybe it is me but I've survived 64 years with not even an inclination to own one and if I need protection I have my dog to warn me and a Jarrah truncheon to help dissuade even the most determined intruder ,and thankfully never needed that either..........lol
BTW it's good to know how many hoops you have to jump through to get a gun any deterent has to be a good thing (just my opinion)

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I mean how many people are accosted with a gun here ? not having a pop at any body just baffles as to why you'd want one, maybe it is me but I've survived 64 years with not even an inclination to own one and if I need protection I have my dog to warn me and a Jarrah truncheon to help dissuade even the most determined intruder ,and thankfully never needed that either..........lol
BTW it's good to know how many hoops you have to jump through to get a gun any deterent has to be a good thing (just my opinion)

Hi Davy, if people own firearms for protection they are kidding themselves imo.

I enjoy the sport of target shooting and also control introduced feral animals, mainly on my mothers partner's farm & property out west. He is getting on a bit and no longer has the time or energy to control them himself. His property was majorly over run with feral goats mainly, but also pigs and foxes. The goats have reduced significantly over the last 12 months by consistent effort behind the rifle.

He used to round them up and sell them, but says its not worth the effort any more. As a lot of the property is very steep and rocky and only accessible on foot.

Ben

[KIMBOPRADO Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close KIMBOPRADO]

Dave

Don't know if you saw this today - trial bounty introduced to control wild dogs in the Murchison by the WA Govt - $100 per dog

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-...rol-wild-dogs/

Cheers

Kim

[Bushbasher Out of control poster! Find all posts View Profile Close Bushbasher]

They've only got enough cash for 500 dogs. They're shooting over a dozen a night out at Kybo station alone.

[KIMBOPRADO Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close KIMBOPRADO]

They've only got enough cash for 500 dogs. They're shooting over a dozen a night out at Kybo station alone.

Wow - nice to get some sort of prospective in the scheme of things - a drop in the ocean, hope a trail start will lead onto a bigger solution to the problem - but the royalties for region windfall might be drying up soon - with the state loosing our AAA rating last week with big debts to repay

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We were doomed financially when the chair sniffer took over the finance ministry.

LOL - Heard he's a vegetarian, explains the affect when consumes alcohol - whoops better stay on topic

Carry on.....

[Danda Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Danda]

Hi Davy, if people own firearms for protection they are kidding themselves imo.

I enjoy the sport of target shooting and also control introduced feral animals, mainly on my mothers partner's farm & property out west. He is getting on a bit and no longer has the time or energy to control them himself. His property was majorly over run with feral goats mainly, but also pigs and foxes. The goats have reduced significantly over the last 12 months by consistent effort behind the rifle.

He used to round them up and sell them, but says its not worth the effort any more. As a lot of the property is very steep and rocky and only accessible on foot.

Ben

That's exactly how I feel Ben, if you have a need for them (and farmers really do) then no problem but to have in a city make's no sense to me what so ever as I said it's only made for one thing and there's not many feral pig's in Perth cept maybe some 2 legged one's ...........lol

[wifecallsmegrumpy Member Find all posts View Profile Close wifecallsmegrumpy]

Davy, that's as logical as saying you can't have a fishing rod if you don't live near the beach.

[Danda Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Danda]

I've seen a few feral bushpigs at those Rockingham nightspots by the beach!

That mighta been me bushy................

[Danda Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Danda]

Davy, that's as logical as saying you can't have a fishing rod if you don't live near the beach.

Do you need a license for a fishing rod too.............?