American gun laws

[Danda Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Danda]

When it comes to shooting deaths the following are facts: More people die from smoking induced cancer. More people die from car crashes. More people die riding horses, playing football, flying home made aircraft, boating, fishing, bush walking. Doctors in hospitals kill way more people than guns do.

If they didn't have access to guns the crazy people would use knives, clubs, sticks, rocks etc. People need to stop blaming the tool and focus on the individual. The latest offender in the USA shooting had known psych issues so it was probably inevitable that he was going to do something such as happened.

How about "if NOBODY had gun's NOBODY would get shot " ? I guess that's way too simplistic really and as for if it wasn't a gun it would be a club or knife, you can run from a club or knife you cant run from a gun, it's only my opinion but I think other than the army, cop's, farmers and certain elite group's nobody should have gun's, at the end of the day they are made to do one thing only and that's kill people, but again it's only MY opinion and I tend to see thing's in a simple logic...............

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you can run from a club or knife you cant run from a gun,

You can't run from a knife thrust into your back from a surprise assailant. The elderly can't run from their beds when intruders belt the life out of them with their own walking sticks in the middle of the night.

5000 people died in the twin trade towers when an aeroplane was flown directly into it, should we not ban planes?

Hundreds of thousands of people die around the world every year from poor food hygiene, should we not ban take-aways and restaurants?

And let's not forget the humble motor car.

Two things in life are certain: death and taxes. To quote a couple more sayings: Shite happens. And when your number is up, you're gone. Some of us will live long and prosperous lives. Some of us will meet our maker sooner than we intended.

[D4D Addicted PP Member Find all posts View Profile Close D4D]

Same day, different gun...

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Cum Catapultae Proscriptae Erunt Tum Soli Proscripti Catapultas Habebunt.

[slimf Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close slimf]

I love to laugh at those who say if no one had guns no one would get shot.. It's true, but devoid of reality.

Regardless of law change, America have more guns in circulation than China has grains of rice.

I DO think that America need to look at eligibility laws - anyone found guilty of a violent crime, anyone found insane, depressed, bipolar, etc by a qualified doctor should NOT have access to guns.
That might save a few lives... Apart from that there is sweet FA that can be done to stop the deaths - except arm the innocent public.

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Was I the only one surprised that nobody returned fire when that crazy fella opened fire at the Batman movie in a theatre in the US? What, nobody in the whole place was packing a gun? What were they thinking?

[PLAYDOH Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close PLAYDOH]

End of day at least Americans can sleep safely knowing they have assault rifles to protect them selves against people with assault rifles.

[Beach Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close Beach]

End of day at least Americans can sleep safely knowing they have assault rifles to protect them selves against people with assault rifles.

Yeah, I'm still waiting for that whole "good guy with a gun" thing to kick in and save all and sundry from the bad guys with guns. Because, you know, turning suburban streets, schools, picture theaters and work places into two way firing ranges sounds like a great idea.

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Guns are fine, but choking the bastards is way more fun.

[geograzza Member Find all posts View Profile Close geograzza]

When looking at the USA, it is easy to lump it all together and when done that way the statistics look horrid. But the USA is not like that. Having been there, there is a huge difference between LA and rural Utah, just as there is a huge difference between Kings Cross & Charleville. A very interesting thing happens when you look at the USA's gun statistics on a state-by-state basis. You find that the more populous states and big cities, (eg New York, California, Illinois) have horrendous statistics for gun crime. They also have very strict gun ownership laws, and low rates of gun ownership. Head out to the mid-west (eg Idaho, Montana, Utah), and gun crime rates are very low. Lower than Australia in fact. They also have extremely high rates of gun ownership and very lax laws.

There is some conjecture that gun crime is higher when the good-guys in the general population don't have guns. But gun crime is also higher where you have: more unemployment, less religion, more blacks & other ethnic groups not from Western-European origin, more democrat voters, less scope for hunting, higher population density, poorer schooling, etc... The point is, it is not the guns themselves that are the issue, but other problems relating to their society that are the issue. Gun crime is just one of the symptoms of what is a larger problem. Just taking away the guns is only a simplistic solution.

[maxjj Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close maxjj]

The United States spends pretty well more than all other countries combined on the military
the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...y_expenditures

The only one they need protecting from is themselves.
I think the American gov should give everyone of their citizens a few guns, a handgun, semi automatic and full automatic with free bullets.
If they cannot see that less guns and tighter laws are the answer, clearly more guns and less rules is better.


Yes guns are just a tool and when used the right way are safe, but unfortunately people`s behaviour isn`t consistent. Emotions, depression, rage, anger, fright, insecurity etc can make people do things that they would not normally do.

[Beach Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close Beach]

When looking at the USA, it is easy to lump it all together and when done that way the statistics look horrid. But the USA is not like that. Having been there, there is a huge difference between LA and rural Utah, just as there is a huge difference between Kings Cross & Charleville. A very interesting thing happens when you look at the USA's gun statistics on a state-by-state basis. You find that the more populous states and big cities, (eg New York, California, Illinois) have horrendous statistics for gun crime. They also have very strict gun ownership laws, and low rates of gun ownership. Head out to the mid-west (eg Idaho, Montana, Utah), and gun crime rates are very low. Lower than Australia in fact. They also have extremely high rates of gun ownership and very lax laws.

There is some conjecture that gun crime is higher when the good-guys in the general population don't have guns. But gun crime is also higher where you have: more unemployment, less religion, more blacks & other ethnic groups not from Western-European origin, more democrat voters, less scope for hunting, higher population density, poorer schooling, etc... The point is, it is not the guns themselves that are the issue, but other problems relating to their society that are the issue. Gun crime is just one of the symptoms of what is a larger problem. Just taking away the guns is only a simplistic solution.

All of what you say is true. Since the days of European settlement, its been said that America is "no one thing".

However, in the current context, the proliferation of firearms and the attitude of "rights" above everything else needs to be taken into consideration.

A recent example is the young Australian lad that got shot. Yes the blase attitude of the punks that pulled the trigger played a part, but so did the ease with which they got hold of a bang stick. Even after such incidents "the right to bear arms" still trumps everything.

[ptnlinda Member Find all posts View Profile Close ptnlinda]

its interesting that our Police Force are able to carry arms to protect themselves but we as citizens are unable to do the same. Boy do I wish we had a bill of rights similar to the USA.

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California have announced a bill to require all persons wishing to buy firearms or ammunition or powder to submit to a fingerprint record being made first. There's currently a huge rush on buying up before this law comes into force. Some people obviously have something to hide.

[Danda Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Danda]

its interesting that our Police Force are able to carry arms to protect themselves but we as citizens are unable to do the same. Boy do I wish we had a bill of rights similar to the USA.

I take it that was a joke right ?
BTW Beach love your sense of humor mate ............I'm on your wave length