If you used both at once using an equaliser strap it would share the load and less chance of it breaking I assume. Then there is the shackle due an more potential flying metal.
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Last edited by BiLLz0r; 16-11-2013, 07:03 PM.2007 GXL V6 - ARB Bullbar with LED lights, snorkel, extractors, 2 1/4" dual exhaust, K&N filter, dimpled/slotted rotors, headrest dvd players, Ebay Satnav/reverse camera, GME 3100TX, Tigerz11 Side awning on custom brackets with Maxtrax mounts, 300W Invertor, ARB Underbody protection, Lightbar and STZ 265/70 tyres.
Wish list in order I'll get them: Sliders, 2" lift, E-locker, Winch bar with winch.
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Originally posted by pradogang View PostMy recovery points were fitted by TJM at Brendale and they just bolted straight on. The invoice does not give a brand name but as amts said in an earlier post they are for a 150 series.. You can call them on (07) 3490 6900 for more info.
Didn't do Gunshot, I did the chicken track. Haven't hit any roos yet but the bar seems quite solid.
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Originally posted by Brad_kosij View PostThere not rated recovery points there tie down points and arnt rated for recoveryCan't we just keep travelling?
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Originally posted by Brad_kosij View Post
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Originally posted by Whitey1 View PostIm going out on a limb here and saying that I think you are wrong. The ones on the chassis, yes they are just tie down points. But the ones built into the bar are recovery points.
The OEM ones are only tie down points on the pre-2006 model. From 2006 they are towing points not tie downs as stated clearly in the manual. The official line from ARB is that the ARB loops are tow points and can also be used to attach your winch clevis on a double line pull (but you could do that with the 2006 OEM points anyway).
I have also been told that the 150 series tow points (check out the Roadsafe website they are not 'recovery' points either) will only fit the pre-2006 model unless you remove the OEM tow points. Personally I can't see the point in removing the OEM tow points to fit aftermarket tow points.
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Originally posted by Trekrider View PostThose used to be mine but I sold them with the ARB bar. They are the original ARB bar mounts custom modified by a certified welder with the addition of extra strengthening ribs and with the ARB loops replaced with 12mm steel. They are not commercially available.
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I wonder how many times this subject will go around in circles before its ever resolved
Tie down points, tow points, recovery points, there all just words that really don't mean much in reality.
Take the loops on the ARB bar, ARB say they are not recovery points, but you can use them for winching, which is a recovery isn't it? What they should say is not a snatching point if that's what they mean.
The fact of the matter is that there is NO standard for what a recovery point is meant to be, so in reality what ever you attach your strap to is a recovery point, whether that is safe, or smart or anything else is another story.
In its simplest form here it is, if your "recovery" point has a WLL or an SWL marked on it then the point is rated to that load, the safety factor for that load is upto the individual manufacturer as there is no standard. The fact that point is rated doesn't mean that where it is bolted to the chassis will withstand that rating, once again there is no standard that requires that sort of testing.
If your "recovery" point doesn't have an SWL or a WLL marked on it then it isn't rated. That's not necessarily any worse than having a rated point that's bolted to an innapropriate part of the chassis though!
So like most things in life where there is no definitive answer it all comes down to common sense (which isn't that common nowadays) and ultimately the thoughts of the people involved in the recovery.
Personally I am working towards being able to produce the ultimate in fully rated recovery points for the 120 Prado with an ARB bar. Research is cheap enough but producing them will be a VERY expensive investment on my behalf. Hopefully next year I will be able to put out a proposal for the production of these recovery points and depending on demand I may go ahead and produce them.
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Originally posted by pradogang View PostMy recovery points were fitted by TJM at Brendale and they just bolted straight on. The invoice does not give a brand name but as amts said in an earlier post they are for a 150 series..
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Sorry to burst yoru bubble, but I have been through this. It will NOT FIT all 120s.
Jims (PradoGangs) solution of using the recovery points, will ONLY fit an early model Prado 120 ( the one with the chasis tow loops unit welded underneath the chasis), This is a great soluton as TJM Brendale have shown. I would do this if you have an early model prado 120.
IF you have a late model 120 ( with the chasis tow loops unit welded through the chasis) they WILL NOT fit (without cutting.)
See here. http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread...l=1#post386618
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Originally posted by gumboot View PostSorry to burst yoru bubble, but I have been through this. It will NOT FIT all 120s.
Jims (PradoGangs) solution of using the recovery points, will ONLY fit an early model Prado 120 ( the one with the chasis tow loops unit welded underneath the chasis), This is a great soluton as TJM Brendale have shown. I would do this if you have an early model prado 120.
IF you have a late model 120 ( with the chasis tow loops unit welded through the chasis) they WILL NOT fit (without cutting.)
See here. http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread...l=1#post386618
Cheers
Robert
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Originally posted by Brad_kosij View PostThanks for that mate, i have the roadsafe ones bolted to my chassy at the moment and looks like you would have to use a bridle strap as the front of a 120 isn't very strong looking.2004,GXL V6 Auto. ARB bullbar,IPF 900 spotlights, Milford cargo barrier, GME TX3400UHF, Coupler Tec, Cooper AT3's, Safari Snorkel, Dual batteries, King Springs and Bilsteins.
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Originally posted by AJ120 View PostI wonder how many times this subject will go around in circles before its ever resolved
Tie down points, tow points, recovery points, there all just words that really don't mean much in reality.
Take the loops on the ARB bar, ARB say they are not recovery points, but you can use them for winching, which is a recovery isn't it? What they should say is not a snatching point if that's what they mean.
The fact of the matter is that there is NO standard for what a recovery point is meant to be, so in reality what ever you attach your strap to is a recovery point, whether that is safe, or smart or anything else is another story.
In its simplest form here it is, if your "recovery" point has a WLL or an SWL marked on it then the point is rated to that load, the safety factor for that load is upto the individual manufacturer as there is no standard. The fact that point is rated doesn't mean that where it is bolted to the chassis will withstand that rating, once again there is no standard that requires that sort of testing.
If your "recovery" point doesn't have an SWL or a WLL marked on it then it isn't rated. That's not necessarily any worse than having a rated point that's bolted to an innapropriate part of the chassis though!
So like most things in life where there is no definitive answer it all comes down to common sense (which isn't that common nowadays) and ultimately the thoughts of the people involved in the recovery.
Personally I am working towards being able to produce the ultimate in fully rated recovery points for the 120 Prado with an ARB bar. Research is cheap enough but producing them will be a VERY expensive investment on my behalf. Hopefully next year I will be able to put out a proposal for the production of these recovery points and depending on demand I may go ahead and produce them.
Cheers Andrew
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Originally posted by AJ120 View PostI wonder how many times this subject will go around in circles before its ever resolved
Tie down points, tow points, recovery points, there all just words that really don't mean much in reality.
Take the loops on the ARB bar, ARB say they are not recovery points, but you can use them for winching, which is a recovery isn't it? What they should say is not a snatching point if that's what they mean.
The fact of the matter is that there is NO standard for what a recovery point is meant to be, so in reality what ever you attach your strap to is a recovery point, whether that is safe, or smart or anything else is another story.
In its simplest form here it is, if your "recovery" point has a WLL or an SWL marked on it then the point is rated to that load, the safety factor for that load is upto the individual manufacturer as there is no standard. The fact that point is rated doesn't mean that where it is bolted to the chassis will withstand that rating, once again there is no standard that requires that sort of testing.
If your "recovery" point doesn't have an SWL or a WLL marked on it then it isn't rated. That's not necessarily any worse than having a rated point that's bolted to an innapropriate part of the chassis though!
So like most things in life where there is no definitive answer it all comes down to common sense (which isn't that common nowadays) and ultimately the thoughts of the people involved in the recovery.
Personally I am working towards being able to produce the ultimate in fully rated recovery points for the 120 Prado with an ARB bar. Research is cheap enough but producing them will be a VERY expensive investment on my behalf. Hopefully next year I will be able to put out a proposal for the production of these recovery points and depending on demand I may go ahead and produce them.
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So AJ these should be in production by the time the 2015 GTG is happening then? Should have the ARB bar on by then so these will be a very usefully addition.[B]Tasmania 2015 GTG Committee Member[/B] 2005 Prado Pilbara, Sovereign Bar, Driver & passenger weathershields, UHF TX3220, Spare wheel spaces, Lifestyle rack, Genuine front & midrow seatcovers, Genuine front & midrow rubber floor mats, ARB 47 litre fridge/freezer, Hilux washer jets, BF Goodridge A/T, Radiator protection plate, Dual battery tray and isolator, ARB 2.5m awning, Rhino heavy duty areo bars, MSA rear wheel bin, MAXTRAX
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