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  • #61
    Dropped my diff off to Bathurst Toyota yesterday for inspection, as a Toyota rep was going there today.

    Then got the phone call this afternoon - Toyota will not cover it under warranty as it has been modified by fitting the diff lock. Predictable standard response! I have asked for this in writing.

    Next step - I will get a professional metallurgist report on the failure, as I am sure it is due to the large grain struture in the crown wheel casting as a result of poor heat treatment.

    To be continued ...
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    • #62
      That sux mate... to refuse warranty, don't they have to be able to prove that the modified part actually caused the fault? Or can they just pick and choose and somehow link that modification A caused fault B, bad luck.

      Are there any stronger parts that can be fitted to the diff? Someone was telling me the other day the the Prado diffs are the same as the hilux, I would've thought they'd be a little under cooked for the prado if this were true.

      Anyhow good luck with the outcome.
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      • #63
        Someone was telling me the other day the the Prado diffs are the same as the hilux,
        Yep, that's right, same 8 inch diff centre. Available with and without LSD. Used in Hiluxs, 90 and 120 series Prado and Surfs.

        I have personally installed a Hilux 2wd open diff into a Surf (LSD) to get it home and a Surf diff into a 90 series.

        Heard of plenty of Hilux diffs going bang too over the years.... some go bang with only the 2.8 diesel in the front while others hold together with V8 conversions done... go figure.

        Mick
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        • #64
          Originally posted by Crammy
          That sux mate... to refuse warranty, don't they have to be able to prove that the modified part actually caused the fault?
          Unfortunately "NO"

          120GXV6 don't give up your quest, you never know what may prevail. However I suspect there could be a load issue :?:

          I also agree "Good luck with the outcome"

          Cheers,
          Fazza
          07 Silver Ash, GXL, D4D, Auto. Lifestyle rear cargo rack. 2500 kg Tow bar with Tekonsha elec brake controller, Rear dust deflector, Mio Sat nav, (Still trying to fault the Dunlop AT20's)

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          • #65
            I'll be watching this with great interest. I've been thinking about the locker, but then I would hate to void the warranty also.

            Over in this other thread, http://www.pradopoint.com/viewtopic.php?p=9386&#9386, mark_au had his diff replaced under warranty. It seems if it is not modified, then Toyota may replace it without argument.

            Now, with a quality locker installed, it seems a little unfair Toyota would not honour the warranty, especially given this seems to be a known issue.

            Still, I understand they may have a way out if they choose to go that route.

            Best of luck 120GXV6! I hope for your sake, as well as Toyotas, that they see reason and play fair by covering it under warranty.

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            • #66
              Back on the road again, a bit poorer!
              Here's a shot of the blown diff, crown and pinion; kaput.

              I am confident Toyota read these posts, so that they may improve product reliability and better serve their customers.
              :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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              • #67
                So Blokeman,
                Where did you get it fixed and how much did it hurt?
                When I did mine I had to pay for Two new wheel bearings as well as the diff.
                ouch ouch ouch+ $980 per side installed.
                2003 GXL Turbo Diesel,

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                • #68
                  A local fella did it for me, $1500 for a new center, plus $270 labour.
                  Apparently a rebuilt centre would cost about 1500 too...
                  2001 HZJ105 Turbo Cruiser
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                  • #69
                    New TRD Hilux

                    With the recent release of the new TRD Supercharged Hilux what have if anything has Toyota done about the weak rear diff? considering it has alot more power and torque than the stock Lux.....
                    2004 GXL 5SPD AUTO 4.0L V6 LandiRenzo Gas system, Sovereign Bar, Cooper ST's, K&N Airfilter, ERPS, Hilux Washer upgrade.

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                    • #70
                      The diff isn't actually that weak.

                      As posted before, there is less than 0.01% of the prado's on the road that have had driveline issues.

                      Not sure how many luxes have done diffs? I dont know of any.

                      PLease place your location in your profile.

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                      • #71
                        I think the "not covered" reply is used quite often. Most cases I would assume people mumble and walk away.

                        If you back up your claim as you said with a metalury report and maybe with something from ARB I think they would have to look at it more closely.

                        I think ARB state that a locker is easier on a diff. A fast spinning wheel that comes back to earth is worse than a slow moving "locked " one.
                        And as far as cross wheel loading, its taken by the splines and diff centre(locker), Not the crown and pinion...

                        Your just a red necked lead footed forest feker as far as they know....

                        Jeff.
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                        • #72
                          I'm looking at fitting diff locks to my Prado, might get a price for Toyota to fit supply & fit them, then the diffs will still be under warranty by Toyota
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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by yetiboy01
                            I'm looking at fitting diff locks to my Prado, might get a price for Toyota to fit supply & fit them, then the diffs will still be under warranty by Toyota
                            I'd say you have no chance having them dealer fitted but you could try
                            [url=http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=12264]My Prado[/url]

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                            • #74
                              i don't know about that.
                              money talks, and this is the dealers quiet period.
                              so you never know 8)
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                              • #75
                                It's all a game.

                                It's like the law, the police and the justice system. It's not about wright and wrong, or about justice - it's about who can win the game. Who has the sharpest legal team.

                                With this diff saga it'll be a case of who (Toyota or the customer) can make things more uncomfortable for the other party.

                                It starts with Toyota trying to make it all go away at no cost to themselves. Make it the customer's problem.

                                If the customer bounces back with something unusual, like a metallurgical analysis, Toyota is going to be quite startled and might start to think that they've got a live one here and decide it's cheaper for them to pay up.

                                If Toyota still doesn't give in then the customer communicates with a consumer protection organisation or the motoring media with his rather interesting information.

                                And so it goes on.

                                Even if the customer ends up not 'winning', s/he can take satisfaction in the knowledge that they've probably ended up costing Toyota a heck of a lot more than if they'd just replaced the diff under warranty in the first place.

                                Even just the discussion right here in this forum is damaging to Toyota in some way by virtue of it introducing a doubt in the minds of future Toyota purchasers.

                                People do NOT want to hear anything about Toyotas other than that they're bullet-proof.

                                I say go make a noise. It's the squeaky wheel that gets oil, so go squeak. A lot!

                                Tim

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