Aftermarket front recovery points for 150 Series

[Matty80]

I repectlyfully and urgently request that the moderator team be contacted my John from Outback Ideas directly.

For clarification of this matter, I have information from you Giles stating that this is for the Outback ideas recovery point and it is rated. However, there are other discussions ongoing which suggest this document relates to the tow point, and is no more for recovery than a tow hitch with tow ball is for recovery.

As the moderators are informed of details, we will update.

[Giles]

Thank you for the confirmation on that giles

My pleasure

[William]

Thank you for the confirmation on that giles

[Giles]

This is regarding the 150 Points.



All Outback Ideas have been tested,A copy of the certificate is available if you require it.

!!! Admin note!!! THIS IS NOT the 150 recovery point, it is the "universal" point that does not fit the 150.. Correct information is required here when claiming it as a 150 series point, this is the info direct from Outback Ideas.!!

[Giles]

UPDATE:

I have now had the pleasure of reading two emails from Chris and the boys at fnb4wd. In both emails, it is stated that he/they sell genuine Outback Ideas recovery points. Both of these emails, state that genuine outback ideas recovery points are not rated. The manufacturer of genuine outback ideas recovery points does not rate his product.

This is inline with previous threads on PP in the 120 and 90 sections regarding outback ideas recovery points.

I notice that one or two members have been convinced otherwise by further members in this thread that it is the other way around, and subsequently changed there tune. So in the interests of ending this one here...

Furthermore, if anyone has other thoughts, or believes differently - then you are advised to provide proof in the form of documentation and certificates. It is also advised that reputable manufacturers are not in the habit of advertising, stating or selling their products as "rated" and those that do open themselves to liability and litigation.

Persons purchasing "rated" points that are not accompanied by documentation and certificates (or references thereof) are being mislead.

I would like to thank Chris and the boys for their prompt replies to our queries, might be time to organise a day trip up to your shop!

Matt

Outback Ideas recovery points ARE rated by the information given to me by John from Outback Idea's

He will not stamp or label every point he makes he said.

I am getting the certificates to re-assure Prado Pointers


Giles

Will have them up hopefully in an hour or two.

[William]

Here Here Matty

[Matty80]

UPDATE:

I have now had the pleasure of reading two emails from Chris and the boys at fnb4wd. In both emails, it is stated that he/they sell genuine Outback Ideas recovery points. Both of these emails, state that genuine outback ideas recovery points are not rated. The manufacturer of genuine outback ideas recovery points does not rate his product.

This is inline with previous threads on PP in the 120 and 90 sections regarding outback ideas recovery points.

I notice that one or two members have been convinced otherwise by further members in this thread that it is the other way around, and subsequently changed there tune. So in the interests of ending this one here...

Furthermore, if anyone has other thoughts, or believes differently - then you are advised to provide proof in the form of documentation and certificates. It is also advised that reputable manufacturers are not in the habit of advertising, stating or selling their products as "rated" and those that do open themselves to liability and litigation.

Persons purchasing "rated" points that are not accompanied by documentation and certificates (or references thereof) are being mislead.

I would like to thank Chris and the boys for their prompt replies to our queries, might be time to organise a day trip up to your shop!

Matt

[Matty80]

Ok fellas, in the interests of constructive discussion lets keep it on the recovery points.

A few things to note, regardless of the maker, supplier, distributor - here on PP the use of such terms like "rated" causes firey discussion from all directions. A "rated" recovery device is a hard call for manufacturers as lots of factors come into play during recoveries and the methods used there in and all of them placing strain in some way on the after market hooks (not always in the directions they were intended to get this load. Subsequently, damge to property, plant or person(s) can result from this misuse.

In effect, manufacturers are reluctant to place "ratings" on such equipment due to liability! Yes, not many people will be able to get places like ARB, Toyota, or other large firms to admit, guarrantee there items...

There are many threads on rated or lack there of rated and most (if not all manufactures recovery products). Please do not think that a verbal communication, without prooving document is enough.

William,
I can see your arguement comes from many previous threads on PP regarding rated points and I tend to agree, without proof of rating - its not rated. So far, its all word of mouth...

Richo,
if you have a photo showning a "rating" then please post it for all to see!

Damien,
you are in contact with chris, I have dealt with him before regarding a battery tray of his (in another thread on PP) he seems like a good guy and i'm sure if you asked him to provide a photo or two which included the "rating" then he would oblige?

In my opinion, if it is not stamped (and labelled in an approved ISO/Australian standard or manner) then the arguement is mute! It is not rated!

Keep it civil!

[Ryzz]

Richo, do you have pics of the rating stamp you speak of on your outback ideas recovery points? We seem to have a discrepancy here that's making damienandwendy upset.

I've got the 150 outback points and can confirm they have NO rating stamp on them anywhere. These are genuine, I got them from manell motors a few months back. Hope this helps.

[dermie75]

Recovery points are much like maxtrax. They cost next to nothing to make but suckers like you and I will pay 10x the price it costs them to make. Haha

True that William!

[dreamon]

I went into ARB Osborne Park yesterday and the guy said they don't sell any "rated" recovery points for the 150 series Prado as none available meet Australian Safety Standards and he suggested a (BRK8) Dynamina Bridal $99.75) which links the two factory tow/tiedown points and distributes the load evenly between them and gives you a central point to pull from. So this is what I purchased and if hopefully will get to see how it works tomorrow at Lancelin.

[REV]

I wouldn't set about adjusting (drilling?) any part of the recovery point. Would mess around with the integrity of the point. Don't take risks at the expense of safety. Thats just my opinion though. May I ask why you would want 120 recovery points when 150 ones are available?

Cheers

Hi William,

When I bought the Outback Ideas recovery points for the 150 series from TJM (they were ordered in for me) & had a look at them I realized that they were set up for a vehicle that had a ARB bar fitted. I have a TJM bar & they could not go on as they were.
I went to TJM & they rang Outback Ideas & I spoke with John who makes them & he told me to measure & drill to suit my vehicle with the TJM bar. The new bolt hole is foward of the existing rear hole so I don't see how that would Would mess around with the integrity of the points.


Cheers
Lawrie

[William]

Richo, do you have pics of the rating stamp you speak of on your outback ideas recovery points? We seem to have a discrepancy here that's making damienandwendy upset.

[Damienandwendy]

Good to see that someone can quite happily say quite negative things about a product without any solid facts to back them up and when some information is provided that suggests that they may be wrong, just "forget" to post a correction or an apology.
Has me seriously re-thinking the whole idea of subscribing to these or any forums for "quality" information.
Everyone has an opinion I know, but sometimes people get too carried away because they think are protected by defaming someone or their business in an online forum.
Well think again and please contemplate what you are posting before hitting the send button.

cheers

Damien

[Damienandwendy]

Just got a reply from Chris at FNB4WD :

Damien, yes I have read the notes in PradoPoint about the question of if they are genuine or not. In fact another reseller got on there and stated ours weren't genuine because they are not rated. He may be opening himself up to litigation by stating clearly incorrect advice. Our points are in fact genuine Outback Ideas points, and John who makes them has made it very clear about the fact they are not rated. The difference between us and other resellers is we are honest with potential buyers. I defy anyone who can pick up an Outback Ideas unit and show a stamped rating anywhere on the item. Its simply not there.
So in summary, yes they are genuine points, you can tell the PradoPoint community they are genuine, and they can still be confident it is a very high quality product that is very strong. I am aware of some knock-offs on the market, some painted yellow and even some knock-offs sold by another Adelaide 4WD store, but ours are genuine and are made by Outback Ideas.
We would rather be honest with our customers.
Cheers
Chris

Sounds good enough to me.

cheers

Damien