Aftermarket front recovery points for 150 Series

[Fabes]

So I've read through and and had a look at what people with the TJM have attached photos of and something interests me.

Ages. VX Diesel T13 Bar Bullbar bracket is the "S" type that uses both the threaded holes on the chassis.
fabes. GXL Diesel T13 Bar Bullbar bracket is the "S" type that uses both the threaded holes on the chassis.
mjrandom. ?????? T3 Bar Bullbar bracket is the "S" type that uses both the threaded holes on the chassis.

brains. GXL Diesel T13 bar yet seems to be the only one that has his Bullbar bracket different to all of ours (remember we are talking about TJM only not ARB) so I'm starting to think I wonder if during the installation process of Brains having his Bullbar fitted TJM have modified his Bullbar bracket to allow the use of the two rear holes of the recovery point......

I do like the fact the there are a total of 3 bolts that are mounting the recovery point on each side of the vehicle and if only 1 rear bolt is required to mount the Bullbar then perhaps this is the way to go.


Does anyone else who has a TJM Bullbar have the mounting bracket that looks like Brains?

[Fabes]

Just looking back through this the bullbar mount for Brains' T13 and my T3 are a bit different. Mine is S shaped and goes back down to the centre of the chassis where a bolt runs while Brains' seems to stop at the first bolt which allows the top recovery point bolt to be fitted and the rear hole is unoccupied.

What does the VX/Kakadu look like?

Brains:



Mine:

And to confuse matters even more I have a T13 bar yet my Bullbar bracket is as per your T3 not Brains T13.

[mjrandom]

That makes sense.

[fido666]

What does the VX/Kakadu look like?

The same as yours MJ. I can't recall if it was in this thread or the other Recovery Points one but I did mention there were bracket differences. As I understand it there used to be KDSS and non-KDSS versions of the bullbar mounting brackets, AFAIK they now use the same style of bracket for both.

Also as per the TJM T13/T15 installation instructions in relation to the mounting bracket on the driver's side :-

KDSS suspension models will only allow access to the rearmost hole in the chassis support bracket, which is sufficient fastening.

That is why you will find 2 bolts at the top of the bracket on the passenger side but only 1 on the driver's. Mine is like that and I don't yet have recovery points fitted, that's how it was installed.

I'll be keen to see how you go with yours on friday Fido.

So will I Ages, not exactly pleased about being a guinea pig for Roadsafe at my expense though. They did say if it wasn't going to work they won't muck around so hopefully they won't charge me if they can't install them. I do hope they can make it work though, otherwise I have 2 rather large paper weights.

[Ages]

I think it's the hydraulic ram holding the swaybar in the picture that moves up and down.

[mjrandom]

Definately looks the same. Where are the KDSS naughty bits that get in the way?

[Ages]

mine seem to look very similar to yours mj




unless the spacing is slightly different i don't see why the ones you've got wouldn't fit mine...

[mjrandom]

Just looking back through this the bullbar mount for Brains' T13 and my T3 are a bit different. Mine is S shaped and goes back down to the centre of the chassis where a bolt runs while Brains' seems to stop at the first bolt which allows the top recovery point bolt to be fitted and the rear hole is unoccupied.

What does the VX/Kakadu look like?

Brains:



Mine:

[Ages]

Louie, looks like you were right.
as per below email from TJM. i included a photo of my install and a pic of mjrandoms.
Hi *****,
Just had a query i would like to run past you with the recovery points that i had installed on Monday.


You can see from the attached picture that due to the way the recovery point lies, it restricts the use of the second bolt to hold the bullbar bracket on.
There are other recovery points that do not do this as the second picture shows


I would just like you to confirm that this will not compromise the safety/integrity of the bull bar with the missing bolt?
Also Considering the forces that these points could potentially be subject to, i am thinking would a higher tensile bolt be more appropriate, 10.9 or 12.9 rather than 8.8? I know that the "Roadsafe" brand of points all come with grade 12.9 bolts.

Could you please respond with your thoughts on these few queries.

Thankyou



Adrian

Hi Adrian,

I was unaware that any bolt had been left out of the fitting of the bullbar to allow the fitting of these recovery points. I am of the opinion that the bar should have been fitted with all bolts as per the instructions, and that these recovery points should have not been fitted to the vehicle. We initially had organised a set of "Adventure Products" recovery points to be fitted, however they would not work due to the bracing on the TJM bar. The "outback ideas" recovery points (fitted) were then selected as an alternative. I am disappointed that I was not notified that a bolt would need to be left out to fit these, and I would suggest coming in to have these removed, and we would refund your purchase in full. At this stage I do not have an alternative, but I will do some homework as to what will fit with our bar.

In regards to the bolt strength, both the Adventure Products, and Outback Ideas recovery points are supplied with 8.8 bolts. My assumption is that these companies have tested that this is sufficient, however I will look into this as a stronger bolt certainly couldn't hurt.

Kind Regards

after talking on the phone with him also, i found out that the adventure products ones only fit the GX/GXL which nobody knew before. and the VX and Kaka i'm assuming mount differently. Which is why they went the outback accessories points instead.
I'm not super happy, because if it wasn't for Louie I would have been none the wiser. But at least the dealer is being easy to work with and coming to the party to fix it up.

I'll be keen to see how you go with yours on friday Fido.

[Ages]

mate i had a closer look at your photo...

it seems that in order to fit the recovery point, they have omitted a bolt to hold the bullbar bracket onto the chassis. you can see the hole just above the recovery hook in your side on photo.

have you checked with them if this compromises the bar?

the roadsafe recovery points have another set of mounting holes so all bolts can remain in place.

louie

Hi Louie,
You make a good point.
I will raise this today with the shop where i got it done and let you know the outcome.
Thanks

[mjrandom]

Michael did you mean to say that the captive nut plate should have been cut in half rather than the bullbar mount plate itself? If the bullbar mounting plate was cut in half it wouldn't work, just saying.

Sorry if that was confusing, the captive nut plate needs to be cut in half. Use a plate or nut for the recovery point that suits the thread on the grade 12.9 bolt and the remainder of the captive nut for the bullbar mount. I am not usre what is supplied with the recovery points so if there is no nut or plate for that then TJM will have to grab one.

Michael

[fido666]

Ages has a VX, I'm pretty sure that is normal on the driver's side due to KDSS.

With the Roadsafe points as per their instructions only 2 bolt holes need to be used on the 150.

[gxllouie]

Got mine fitted yesterday and they seem to be okay.


man i need a bash plate!

mate i had a closer look at your photo...

it seems that in order to fit the recovery point, they have omitted a bolt to hold the bullbar bracket onto the chassis. you can see the hole just above the recovery hook in your side on photo.

have you checked with them if this compromises the bar?

the roadsafe recovery points have another set of mounting holes so all bolts can remain in place.

louie

[fido666]

What should have happened was that the bullbar mounting plate should have been cut in half and the correct nut fitted for the recovery point so that the grade 12.9 bolt could be used.

Michael did you mean to say that the captive nut plate should have been cut in half rather than the bullbar mount plate itself? If the bullbar mounting plate was cut in half it wouldn't work, just saying.

[mjrandom]

OK, the recovery points should have two grade 12.9 bolts fitted to each side. Pretty much as expected since they are supplied with the recovery points. What happened to my bar is that there are two captive nuts required on that part of the bullbar mount. To make installation of the bar easier these are on a single piece of plate. The 12.9 bolt is a different pitch and wouldn't screw in. What should have happened was that the bullbar mounting plate should have been cut in half and the correct nut fitted for the recovery point so that the grade 12.9 bolt could be used. Mine will be fixed at the 500km check up. A great pick up by Fabes. Many thanks indeed. Suggest everyone checks their install.

Michael