The funny things we see

[r4ndll]

Strong but stubborn. Leaks. Noisy engine, and slightly battered body. Can only be a....

[shodown]

Diesels with trailers in the outback commonly use well over 20L/100km

I dont know where you got those figures from, most of the diesel towing figures i have seen are under that......

I get 14L/100km pulling 1.5T worth of horse float (inc 2x horses)

There are also stories of catalytic converters setting fire to petrols due to build up of spinifex etc.

But like all have said, comes down to what you do and what you need from your vehicle, there is a place and "need" for both.

Blakmoth was simply stating that the pimply face young punks were showing their age with such a misinformed statement

[r4ndll]

Spotted this "unusual" ute this afternoon...

Looks like a backyard ghetto attempt at the Stantech/Brabus Range Rover pickup... http://www.carscoops.com/2015/04/sta...er-pickup.html

[craigm]

Spotted this "unusual" ute this afternoon...



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[glen_ep]

REALLY - I have just completed 14,848 kms towing a 1.3 tonne camper trailer and averaged 13l/100 kms. Worst I got was 16 when in the Flinders Ranges and in 4x4 mode and sometimes 15 when driving above 115 km in the NT. Best I got was a consistent 12.7

You've taken my response a little out of context, as it was in response to Andrews statement: "1300km through outback tracks and sand dunes with no fuel stops..". If the Flinders Ranges was the hardest tracks you drove then your economy results isn't really comparable to sand dunes.

This really has now become a pointless discussion Glen, as you are taking your argument to the absurd end of the spectrum to justify a comment that a 20 something year old made that is equally absurd.

But if you must have a dinky di 100% example of why it is absolutely necessary that we have diesels in Australia, well I am going to drive one in the morning, its called a truck, and there isn't a petrol powered engine small enough and powerful enough with enough torque to pull the 60+ tonne down the road that I will have.

I could offer more examples, even in the 4wd world, but I don't think your interested in listening! Probably because you are a 20 something year old with a petrol 4wd................

End of discussion from me, as I said pointless to continue.

Cheers Andrew

It's only pointless because you're not able to comprehend what you are reading. I asked for an example of why a diesel **4WD** is required, ie, where can a diesel 4wd go in Australia where a petrol cannot - not whether we need diesel fuel in this country at all. Obviously diesel fuel is required for trucks and other heavy machinery, as indicated in my previous post. Try to read a little more carefully.

Of course I'm interested in listening. Unlike your arrogant self, my mind is open to different opinions as long as there's some logic behind it!

Finally, I'm well past my 20's, but that doesn't give me the right to insult younger generations like you and others are doing here.

[craigm]

Good call VK!


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[VKPrado]

Let's get this back to the funny things we see

[AJ120]

This really has now become a pointless discussion Glen, as you are taking your argument to the absurd end of the spectrum to justify a comment that a 20 something year old made that is equally absurd.

But if you must have a dinky di 100% example of why it is absolutely necessary that we have diesels in Australia, well I am going to drive one in the morning, its called a truck, and there isn't a petrol powered engine small enough and powerful enough with enough torque to pull the 60+ tonne down the road that I will have.

I could offer more examples, even in the 4wd world, but I don't think your interested in listening! Probably because you are a 20 something year old with a petrol 4wd................

End of discussion from me, as I said pointless to continue.

Cheers Andrew

[OldGreyFart]

[QUOTE=glen_ep;514729]I really don't understand why you are thinking this way. Petrol & diesel is available all over the country.

Diesels with trailers in the outback commonly use well over 20L/100km so you'll be taking extra fuel just as the petrol guys do... and when you arrive at the next station, you'll find a petrol pump right besides the diesel...." END QUOTE

REALLY - I have just completed 14,848 kms towing a 1.3 tonne camper trailer and averaged 13l/100 kms. Worst I got was 16 when in the Flinders Ranges and in 4x4 mode and sometimes 15 when driving above 115 km in the NT. Best I got was a consistent 12.7

[glen_ep]

I wasn't saying you should only drive a diesel Glen. Nothing wrong with a petrol, especially with the points you listed 😉
I just think he should not be giving out such advice to customers. Saying it's not required is a bit different to saying a petrol is just as good or better.


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Yes I'm sure we'll both agree they each have merits, but this isn't my point. I just think it's harsh to say these "20 year olds" have no clue because they said "driving a diesel isn't required in this country". I'd agree there is no requirement for diesel 4WDs, it's a matter of personal preference and advantages vs disadvantages for each persons particular situation.

Tell that to all the people that broke down in Sydney this week due to contaminated E10.

Exceptional circumstance - that wasn't just "slightly dirty" fuel, there was significant water contamination in the tank that particular day. There's a reason modern diesels have additional filters and/or sensors to detect/protect from contaminated fuel - they are simply more susceptible to issues arising from it.

And all the guys with Rodeo's running the notoriously unreliable 3.5l petrol engine.

Then there are diesels like my hilux that I sold with 585,000 on the clock and it's still going strong............

You can mount an argument for either if you select only certain facts, truth is there is a place for both!

Funny how almost every station vehicle in the country is a Diesel, guess those guys aren't as smart as some city slickers who have worked out Diesels aren't needed.

Cheers Andrew

You have one thing right Andrew - there is a place for both - they each have advantages and disadvantages. No argument there. However, a couple of you guys are making it sound like diesels are actually REQUIRED in Australia, and if anyone says otherwise they're an idiot. Well, go ahead and provide an example of where diesel 4wds are actually required here (as opposed to preferred).

As for station vehicles, I doubt it has anything to do with the intelligence of station owners and "city slickers" as you so elegantly put it. There's such a vast difference between the driving needs of these people, that really, any intelligent person wouldn't be trying to compare them in the first case. Just to give you a little bit of a hint though - not many of us in the city have to worry about keeping heavy farming machinery running.

[juc33_prado]

Tell that to all the people that broke down in Sydney this week due to contaminated E10.

who buys e10 anyway?...

[AJ120]

Tell that to all the people that broke down in Sydney this week due to contaminated E10.

And all the guys with Rodeo's running the notoriously unreliable 3.5l petrol engine.

Then there are diesels like my hilux that I sold with 585,000 on the clock and it's still going strong............

You can mount an argument for either if you select only certain facts, truth is there is a place for both!

Funny how almost every station vehicle in the country is a Diesel, guess those guys aren't as smart as some city slickers who have worked out Diesels aren't needed.

Cheers Andrew

[mjrandom]

Tell that to all the people that broke down in Sydney this week due to contaminated E10.

They should have stuck with drinking beer.

[Bushbasher]

What you won't find is a broken down petrol because the fuel was just slightly dirty.

Tell that to all the people that broke down in Sydney this week due to contaminated E10.

[BlakMoth]

I wasn't saying you should only drive a diesel Glen. Nothing wrong with a petrol, especially with the points you listed 😉
I just think he should not be giving out such advice to customers. Saying it's not required is a bit different to saying a petrol is just as good or better.


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